Dunk
Established
Today tried the following set-up to take some more pix of HM. I don't think HRH would be too pleased with them but she is a good resource for experimental macro photography - and cheap too!
Ancient Krokus copy-stand (made in Poland) , Elicar focusing rail with "X-Y" movements rack and pinion , Leica R bellows, Leica " R to 4/3" adaptor, Panasonic "4/3 to Micro 4/3" adaptor, Panasonic G1 micro four thirds camera, four Leitz macro bellows lenses ie: 12cm f4.5 Summar set to "6" (f8) , 42mm f4.5 Summar set to "6" (f8), 50mm f4 Photar lens set to f5.6, 12.5mm f1.9 Photar set to f5.6 . Camera set to "SHOOT WITHOUT LENS" (necessary for use with any uncoupled lens, tube or bellows), 200 ISO, self timer 'ON' , Aperture Priority mode. Camera was powered by Panasonic mains adaptor DMW DCC3 which is very useful when apparatus is used for long periods in studio conditions.
Subject is a UK 2 pence coin featuring the HM the Queen's head.
Everything was set up on the worktop of my gas stove in the kitchen. The stove was pulled out from the wall to be opposite the kitchen window. The window light was supplemented by the simple white cardboard reflector.
The Summar lenses date from 1939-1960s and the Mk I Photars which superceded them from the late 1960s. Actual S/Ns are scratched onto the Summar lenses ie 12 cm, 30352 and 42mm, 30948 but these numbers do not correspond to published Leitz camera lens S/Ns so I cannot date them exactly. The 12 cm Summar is probably quite ancient hence the "12cm" designation rather than 120mm . The lens has an almost perfectly circular diaphragm with stops for 2, 4, 6, 12, 24, 48, and 96. Open aperture is f4.5 (2) so need to interpolate to convert the stops to f numbers. There are no S/Ns visible on the Photar lenses but they may have S/Ns scratched inside the mounts.
Exposure times varied between approx 1 second and up to 10 seconds depending on magnification and changing light. The self-timer was activated to prevent camera shake/wobble when the shutter button was depressed - I do not have a remote release for this camera. The camera's live view screen was used for focusing and it is a revelation as regards ease of use compared to using the viewfinder. The focused images on the live view screen were all of the same brightness regardless of how far the lenses were stopped down. The viewfinder images were not checked very often because the live views were so good . The images snapped in and out of focus on the screen so smoothly when using the focusing rail. In fact using the viewfinder as distinct from the screen is a hindrance because at high magnifications my head/eye touching the eyepiece caused too much jitter and camera wobble whilst trying to focus.
There were problems with the 12.5mm lens which gives the highest magnification and I'm still trying to analyse what caused the relatively unsharp images.
This is the 12cm Summar picture of the whole 2p coin.
These are the 50mm Photar pictures:
These are the higher magnification 42mm Summar pictures.
This 'G" above the Queen's head is 2mm in height; I'm still doing my sums to calculate the actual magnification on the 4/3 format.
And these are the not so successful 12.5mm Photar pictures. Use of this lens may require a horizontal set-up because the rack and pinion was slipping very slightly possibly resulting in very slow movement over the relatively long 10 second exposure times. Alternatively need to devise some means of stabilizing the rack and pinion. Better luck next time when have sorted the problem. Also wondering if reciprocity failure might have caused the unsharpness ie could long exposures confuse the sensor? Any opinions appreciated.
THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE IRB INITIALS ON THE COIN (JUST UNDER THE QUEEN'S NECK) IS 1.5mm
Next experiment will repeat the exercise using artificial tungsten light via a fibre optic projector. This will enable more contrasty lighting and also grazed lighting to bring out the relief of the coin design. Also plan to try co-axial lighting via a home made beam splitter device but this will not permit high magnification because requires a small 45degree semi silvered mirror between the lens and the coin which will limit the lens to subject distance. The lens will have to be relatively further from the subject than in these photos and the beam splitter will be used in absolute darkness.
So far the G1 is proving to be a superb tool for close-up photography.
And as the old addage says ... "Just my two penny worth" .
Cheers
dunk
Ancient Krokus copy-stand (made in Poland) , Elicar focusing rail with "X-Y" movements rack and pinion , Leica R bellows, Leica " R to 4/3" adaptor, Panasonic "4/3 to Micro 4/3" adaptor, Panasonic G1 micro four thirds camera, four Leitz macro bellows lenses ie: 12cm f4.5 Summar set to "6" (f8) , 42mm f4.5 Summar set to "6" (f8), 50mm f4 Photar lens set to f5.6, 12.5mm f1.9 Photar set to f5.6 . Camera set to "SHOOT WITHOUT LENS" (necessary for use with any uncoupled lens, tube or bellows), 200 ISO, self timer 'ON' , Aperture Priority mode. Camera was powered by Panasonic mains adaptor DMW DCC3 which is very useful when apparatus is used for long periods in studio conditions.
Subject is a UK 2 pence coin featuring the HM the Queen's head.
Everything was set up on the worktop of my gas stove in the kitchen. The stove was pulled out from the wall to be opposite the kitchen window. The window light was supplemented by the simple white cardboard reflector.
The Summar lenses date from 1939-1960s and the Mk I Photars which superceded them from the late 1960s. Actual S/Ns are scratched onto the Summar lenses ie 12 cm, 30352 and 42mm, 30948 but these numbers do not correspond to published Leitz camera lens S/Ns so I cannot date them exactly. The 12 cm Summar is probably quite ancient hence the "12cm" designation rather than 120mm . The lens has an almost perfectly circular diaphragm with stops for 2, 4, 6, 12, 24, 48, and 96. Open aperture is f4.5 (2) so need to interpolate to convert the stops to f numbers. There are no S/Ns visible on the Photar lenses but they may have S/Ns scratched inside the mounts.
Exposure times varied between approx 1 second and up to 10 seconds depending on magnification and changing light. The self-timer was activated to prevent camera shake/wobble when the shutter button was depressed - I do not have a remote release for this camera. The camera's live view screen was used for focusing and it is a revelation as regards ease of use compared to using the viewfinder. The focused images on the live view screen were all of the same brightness regardless of how far the lenses were stopped down. The viewfinder images were not checked very often because the live views were so good . The images snapped in and out of focus on the screen so smoothly when using the focusing rail. In fact using the viewfinder as distinct from the screen is a hindrance because at high magnifications my head/eye touching the eyepiece caused too much jitter and camera wobble whilst trying to focus.
There were problems with the 12.5mm lens which gives the highest magnification and I'm still trying to analyse what caused the relatively unsharp images.
This is the 12cm Summar picture of the whole 2p coin.
These are the 50mm Photar pictures:
These are the higher magnification 42mm Summar pictures.
This 'G" above the Queen's head is 2mm in height; I'm still doing my sums to calculate the actual magnification on the 4/3 format.
And these are the not so successful 12.5mm Photar pictures. Use of this lens may require a horizontal set-up because the rack and pinion was slipping very slightly possibly resulting in very slow movement over the relatively long 10 second exposure times. Alternatively need to devise some means of stabilizing the rack and pinion. Better luck next time when have sorted the problem. Also wondering if reciprocity failure might have caused the unsharpness ie could long exposures confuse the sensor? Any opinions appreciated.
THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE IRB INITIALS ON THE COIN (JUST UNDER THE QUEEN'S NECK) IS 1.5mm
Next experiment will repeat the exercise using artificial tungsten light via a fibre optic projector. This will enable more contrasty lighting and also grazed lighting to bring out the relief of the coin design. Also plan to try co-axial lighting via a home made beam splitter device but this will not permit high magnification because requires a small 45degree semi silvered mirror between the lens and the coin which will limit the lens to subject distance. The lens will have to be relatively further from the subject than in these photos and the beam splitter will be used in absolute darkness.
So far the G1 is proving to be a superb tool for close-up photography.
And as the old addage says ... "Just my two penny worth" .
Cheers
dunk
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I don't think digital has reciprocity issues. Looks like slight movement to me. Stronger lighting and some post processing will bring up the contrast. Nice work and interesting setup!
Tuolumne
Veteran
That's very, very cool. I would like to just see an enumerated list of the components in the imaging chain with their approximate prices, for those of us who would like to duplicate your set-up.
/T
/T
Dunk
Established
Wot it Cost
Wot it Cost
As you asked .. but please bear in mind that these were acquired over many years.
£65 Krokus copy stand (originally had lights) bought 1984
£100 Secondhand Leica R bellows bought 1989 Ffordes Photographic
£75 Secondhand Leica R to 4/3 adaptor bought 2008 Ffordes Photographic
£120 (ish) New Panasonic DMW -MA1 4/3 to M4/3 adaptoe bought 2009 W/house Express
£299 Secondhand set of Leitz Micro Summar lenses 42mm, 8cm and 12cm bought 2006 Ffordes Photographic
£60 Secondhand Leitz 50mm Photar inc. R adaptor bought Peter Walnes 1992
£100 Secondhand Leitz Photar 12.5mm and 25mm lenses bought direct from Leica Geosystems (company surplus) 1994. They responded to my "wanted" advert in Amateur Photographer magazine. Actually bought three lenses from them and I then sold the spare one via Ffordes.
£50 Summar lenses R adaptor bought DAG (Don Goldberg) 2009. I could not use two of the Summar lenses until I sourced this scarce accessory.
£450 (nett of cashback) Panasonic G1 camera bought new John Lewis Dept Store 2009
£75 Elicar focusing rail bought new 1985 Vic Odden, London
£27 DMW-DCC3 AC adaptor bought W'House Express 2009
£1421 total over 25 years = £57 per year ... but have a few other macro lenses too which can be used for low magnification work. I normally buy all my equipment "used" unless an item is so scarce that it is unavailable in dealers secondhand lists.
BTW ... these macro bellows lens although very small in size will cover following formats:
...................5x4 .....................35mm ie 24x36................Micro 4/3
12.5mm ......Mag 25:1 - 60:1........ Mag 15:1 - 30:1.........All double the 24 x 36 format?
25mm.........Mag 12.5 - 25:1..........Mag 7:1 - 16:1
50mm..........Mag 5:1 - 12.5: 1........Mag 3:1 - 8:1
80mm..........Mag 2.5:1 - 8: 1..........Mag 1:1 - 4:1
12cm............Mag 1.25:1 - 5:1.........Mag 0.5:1 - 2:1
My use of the 12.5mm was outside its optimum magnification range so I really need to try a higher ratio eg 15x. The focusing rack used is really too course in operation for high magnification work so have ordered a Manfrotto MN 454 which has a much finer screw thread ie one turn of the screw = 1mm rack and pinion travel - this should cope much better with the tiny depth of field at high magnifications.
Cheers
dunk
Wot it Cost
As you asked .. but please bear in mind that these were acquired over many years.
£65 Krokus copy stand (originally had lights) bought 1984
£100 Secondhand Leica R bellows bought 1989 Ffordes Photographic
£75 Secondhand Leica R to 4/3 adaptor bought 2008 Ffordes Photographic
£120 (ish) New Panasonic DMW -MA1 4/3 to M4/3 adaptoe bought 2009 W/house Express
£299 Secondhand set of Leitz Micro Summar lenses 42mm, 8cm and 12cm bought 2006 Ffordes Photographic
£60 Secondhand Leitz 50mm Photar inc. R adaptor bought Peter Walnes 1992
£100 Secondhand Leitz Photar 12.5mm and 25mm lenses bought direct from Leica Geosystems (company surplus) 1994. They responded to my "wanted" advert in Amateur Photographer magazine. Actually bought three lenses from them and I then sold the spare one via Ffordes.
£50 Summar lenses R adaptor bought DAG (Don Goldberg) 2009. I could not use two of the Summar lenses until I sourced this scarce accessory.
£450 (nett of cashback) Panasonic G1 camera bought new John Lewis Dept Store 2009
£75 Elicar focusing rail bought new 1985 Vic Odden, London
£27 DMW-DCC3 AC adaptor bought W'House Express 2009
£1421 total over 25 years = £57 per year ... but have a few other macro lenses too which can be used for low magnification work. I normally buy all my equipment "used" unless an item is so scarce that it is unavailable in dealers secondhand lists.
BTW ... these macro bellows lens although very small in size will cover following formats:
...................5x4 .....................35mm ie 24x36................Micro 4/3
12.5mm ......Mag 25:1 - 60:1........ Mag 15:1 - 30:1.........All double the 24 x 36 format?
25mm.........Mag 12.5 - 25:1..........Mag 7:1 - 16:1
50mm..........Mag 5:1 - 12.5: 1........Mag 3:1 - 8:1
80mm..........Mag 2.5:1 - 8: 1..........Mag 1:1 - 4:1
12cm............Mag 1.25:1 - 5:1.........Mag 0.5:1 - 2:1
My use of the 12.5mm was outside its optimum magnification range so I really need to try a higher ratio eg 15x. The focusing rack used is really too course in operation for high magnification work so have ordered a Manfrotto MN 454 which has a much finer screw thread ie one turn of the screw = 1mm rack and pinion travel - this should cope much better with the tiny depth of field at high magnifications.
Cheers
dunk
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