Nikon F "Apollo"

[mynikonf2]

Hello,
I have a question about the Nikon F w/F2 features the so called "Apollo", does anyone know when Nikon started the production of this variation? I know from visiting Richard de Stoutz web page that he has one with serial # 737xxxx . I did not find a mention of when these began. So, if someone knows or can point me in the right direction to find this data, I would appreciate. If not, then I will start a data collection for these cameras.

 

[CameraQuest]

generally the 73 and later F's were the so called Apollo, or F's with F2 improvements.

Stephen

 

[Frankie]

Notwithstanding serial numbers, F "Apollo" is distinguished by F2 style plastic winder tip, self-time tip and viewfinder eyepiece housing.

 

[sevo]

Production started some time in 73. See http://www.cameraquest.com/nfapol.htm

 

[sevo]

Since the final Apollo Lunar mission was in 1972, I have to wonder why the 1974 Nikon F's are called the Apollo F?

For no good reason, other than collectors and dealers fantasies.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

They are called Apollo Nikon F's because of the wind-lever tip, developed for the Apollo mission. I've seen the phrase applied to the wind lever of the Nikkormat FT2 in the 1970s. Interesting enough: the early tapered wind lever tips for the Nikon F2 were made of metal, not plastic. After the 1600th or so Nikon F2, they switched to plastic.

There is a photo of a late 72xxxxx SN with the F2 cosmetics, ie Apollo, in a Nikon F owners manual.

My early Apollo Nikon F is 7303xxx. Production of Apollo and "regular" Nikon F's went on for a while. By about 737xxxx or so (I do not have a reference), the switchover was complete.

 

[NIKON KIU]

The Nikon F had a coded serial number in that the first two numbers indicated the year of production. The F cameras were last produced in 1974 hence their serial numbers begin as 74xxxx....

This is NOT true and most times does not indicate the year of production.
Records show the Nikon F production stopped in 1973, those 74xxxxx cameras were actually made in 1973( lots of replacement top panels exist within the 74xxxx batch), 64xxxxx cameras started production in 1959!

The second issue is that the break is not clean, there are many samples within the 72xxxxx batch that do not have the "Apollo" characteristics, yet are numbered higher than the "Apollo" samples!

Large batches of overlapping numbers are discovered within the 73xxxx cameras.

mynikonF2, you don't need to start the collection of numbers, Uli Koch has already done it in his book:
http://www.nikon-f.de/

Kiu

 

[Ken Shipman]

...By about 737xxxx or so (I do not have a reference), the switchover was complete.

I have an Apollo F s/n 7381xxx so it must have gone on a little bit longer.

 

[mynikonf2]

mynikonF2, you don't need to start the collection of numbers, Uli Koch has already done it in his book:
http://www.nikon-f.de/

Kiu

Thanks Kiu for pointing me in the right direction. I will look in Uli's book for the serial numbers.

The camera I own with the F2 lever, self timer, flash sync terminal & rewind was made sometime between Sept."73" to Oct. "73" (serial #74126xx). The last "official serial # is 7451052 with others, as you pointed out, being spare tops numbered up to 7464xxx.

Again thanks for everyones responce. The Nikon F is the camera that started my love of photography and the gear we use while photographing.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

It should be noted that the 66xxxxx block was mostly skipped, very few Nikon F's built in that range. They are considered collectible by those that have everything else Nikon. The S3M also used the 66 block.

 

[NIKON KIU]

For no good reason, other than collectors and dealers fantasies.

Not entirely!
I thought a lot before replying to this post.
Let me tell you something about those collectors, most do not even care about the so called "Apollo" version, over by the NHS, we are ashamed to even call them that. Hence the term, Nikon F with F2 cosmetics!
Why? Because some of the members do own real "NASA" models that were flown in space missions! funny is, none of those cameras have the plastic tipped stuff!!

However, back in the early seventies the USA distributor came out with the followin logo:

This sticker was put on or included lots of boxes(camera and lenses) at the time. Ironic is, Nikon did take a production model off the shelf(factory shelf that is), but upgraded it with many things before it was used in space, the original advertising was kinda misleading.

The dealers were having a ball selling "Photomic" finders at the time, this was icing on the cake, from that point on---> it was "Apollo"...poor dealers had all this late Nikon Fs sitting on their shelves, everybody was looking for the F2 so they had to do something to get rid of them!!

But funnier is, these days, for every one NHS member, there are a dozen Photo hobbyist looking for the so called "Apollo" Nikon F, most of them after reading many on-line articles concerning this subject.
Soooo, don't blame the poor collectors, we refuse to pay a premium for these cameras...Have you seen what a nice one in the box sells for today?


Kiu

 

[Sonnar Brian]

Mine was $100 at a show, and it had the motor plate on it.

The near mint 7444xxx was $150 with a 35/2.8 Nikkor.

 

[John Kozy]

Apollo

Apollo

A day or so ago A Nikon "Apollo" F , a beautiful black model sold for $1325 on e bay . It was from New Zealand . I have a lovely black F from 1970 and I wondered just what the Apollo model has that mine didn't . Thanks for your inputs .

 

[Dwig]

Notwithstanding serial numbers, F "Apollo" is distinguished by F2 style plastic winder tip, self-time tip and viewfinder eyepiece housing.

... and the oft forgotten vastly improved F2 style strap lugs. These can be identified by their stainless steel inserts. The original F lugs were one piece plated brass, as were almost all lugs at the time, and were prone to wearing thin.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The first 1600 or so Nikon F2 bodies did not have the stainless steel insert for the strap lugs. So much for the term Nikon F with F2 cosmetics! I have two of these early F2 bodies, both bought at a camera show. No premium paid for them, just dumb luck. One was $125 with the early DP-1.

I prefer and use the term "Apollo Nikon F" as I have since the 1970s when the term was coined. Or we could use the phrase Nikon F2 with Nikon F cosmetics for these early F2 bodies.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

It is the two Nikon F2 bodies that do not have the stainless steel inserts. These are F2 7101xxx bodies, very close in number. The 7303xxx F "Apollo" body has the inserts. The only difference that I can see between the two Nikon F "Apollo's" is on the flash contact: the early 7303xxx has white insulating plastic on the flash connection and the late 7444xxx has black insulating plastic. The most unique feature of the early F2: the tip for the wind lever is metal, not plastic.

 

[M Currie]

To add confusion to the mix, it appears that some earlier F's were updated, perhaps by Nikon. I have a very beat-up, obviously very heavily used black F body which was sold without back or finder on KEH as "ugly" for 39 bucks a few years ago, supposedly lacking winder and with a broken finder frame. What actually came is a body with some chips where the back was inserted (no problem), no cracked viewfinder, and a late style rewind crank. It also has reinforced strap lugs. But it is serial number 7175498, with white flash contact insulator and old style timer lever. Clicking the shutter, I suspect that it was sent to Nikon for repair. Its ugliness is defnitely only skin deep. I had another silver FTn with a good finder that had taken a little swim, or perhaps been stored in the damp, to the detriment of its shutter train and self timer, so now I have, among others, an absolutely horrible looking FTn, all brassy, chipped and mismatched, which of course works like new. And I did not have to put little rivets into the worn out strap lugs!

 

[Dwig]

To add confusion to the mix, it appears that some earlier F's were updated, perhaps by Nikon. ... It also has reinforced strap lugs. ...

When Nikon introduced the reinforced lugs they stopped making the older style. Any body (F, early F2, Nikkormat of any type) sent in for repair which had excessively worn lugs would get the new ones.

 

[M Currie]

When Nikon introduced the reinforced lugs they stopped making the older style. Any body (F, early F2, Nikkormat of any type) sent in for repair which had excessively worn lugs would get the new ones.

That was my assumption, and I 'm guessing that after a certain point the same occurred with the wind lever.

 

[Shac]

When Nikon introduced the reinforced lugs they stopped making the older style. Any body (F, early F2, Nikkormat of any type) sent in for repair which had excessively worn lugs would get the new ones.

That's what happened to my 681XXXX F when I sent it to Nikon Japan for a repair in about 1971