sem
Registered User
Hi,
I am thinking about a mamiya 7II. Or a 7, so I like to know the importent difference between 6, 7, 7II and is it possible to use mamiya 6 lenses on a 7 or 7II and is it possible to put in 220 rolls in the cameras?
Just a lot of stupid questions I know, but it would help me a lot1
So thanks to everbody
Best regards
sem
I am thinking about a mamiya 7II. Or a 7, so I like to know the importent difference between 6, 7, 7II and is it possible to use mamiya 6 lenses on a 7 or 7II and is it possible to put in 220 rolls in the cameras?
Just a lot of stupid questions I know, but it would help me a lot1
So thanks to everbody
Best regards
sem
dannyt
Member
The diffrence between 6 and 7 is the format, the Mamya 6 is 6x6 and Mamiya 7 is 6x7. I don't know the differnece between 7 and 7II...
No, the don't share the same mount.
danny
No, the don't share the same mount.
danny
Atom
Molecular.Atom
The 6 lenses are not compatible with either 7 camera, and vice versa. It seems the 6 lenses were created to cover a square image circle and wouldn't cover the larger 6cm x 7cm of the 7 cameras.
Main differences between the 6 and 7 is the image size. The 6 is 6x6 and the 7 is 6x7. The lens choices are a bit slimmer on the 6 as well, widest is a 50mm and longest is a 150mm, where the 7 goes to 43mm ad 210mm. I don't recall the specific differences between the 7 and 7II, I'm sure someone else will chime in.
They will both shoot 220 rolls.
Main differences between the 6 and 7 is the image size. The 6 is 6x6 and the 7 is 6x7. The lens choices are a bit slimmer on the 6 as well, widest is a 50mm and longest is a 150mm, where the 7 goes to 43mm ad 210mm. I don't recall the specific differences between the 7 and 7II, I'm sure someone else will chime in.
They will both shoot 220 rolls.
Svitantti
Well-known
7 II has "updated" finder, where I guess some polarization-stuff is added for better contrast and flare resistance. Nothing you really should worry about or pay the extra cost for. 7 II also has "weaker" darkslide-lever (plastic and part turning 90 degrees).
There are also 6 and 6 MF, where the MF version (multi format) is cabable of shooting panoramic images on 35mm film with the insert and also 645-images with a mask (which is totally stupid because you just lose the 1,5 cm on the negative and get no extra photor per roll).
I think they all take 220 film, by just turining the pressure plate 180 degrees.
There are also 6 and 6 MF, where the MF version (multi format) is cabable of shooting panoramic images on 35mm film with the insert and also 645-images with a mask (which is totally stupid because you just lose the 1,5 cm on the negative and get no extra photor per roll).
I think they all take 220 film, by just turining the pressure plate 180 degrees.
Don Hutton
Member
Actually the single functional difference between the 7 and 7II is the addition of a multiple exposure button on the 7II - may sound like a meaningless add on, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to take a shot with the lenscap on with these cameras - they don't meter through the lens like a Leica so there's no giveaways on metering or suchlike. And 120 is not cheap by the time you add in processing costs. With the 7II, you can simply slide the multi button over, remove the lenscap and retake the shot - you normally notice as you bring the camera down from your eye that the lens cap is still on as you try to put it on and it's on already!
qruyk12
Established
well, i have had the 6 series and the 7 series. Currently own 7II with 43,80 and 150 lenses.
I would definitely save for the 7II for all the above mentioned reasons. THe finder is much better on the 7II. Remember also that a lot of parts are not available for the 6.
Check the classified section on this site and you will find some deals for sure.
I would definitely save for the 7II for all the above mentioned reasons. THe finder is much better on the 7II. Remember also that a lot of parts are not available for the 6.
Check the classified section on this site and you will find some deals for sure.
Don Hutton
Member
The Mamiya 6 is a great camera - and a little more compact due to the retractable lens mount. However, I'd be very cautious - the winding mechanisms are notoriously fragile and Mamiya America no longer have any of the parts necessary should anything break in the winding mechanism... The 7 and 7II, OTOH, are very well supported.
sem
Registered User
What seems better?
What seems better?
Hi,
someone got both, a Plaubel Makina 67 and Mamiya 7ll?
Which one has the better rangefinder and the better built quality?
What other arguments still there for one or the other?
Thanks and best regards
sem
What seems better?
Hi,
someone got both, a Plaubel Makina 67 and Mamiya 7ll?
Which one has the better rangefinder and the better built quality?
What other arguments still there for one or the other?
Thanks and best regards
sem
Turtle
Veteran
My best way not to leave the lenscap on - a personal approach:
Never put it on. Keep a filter in place and the hood on and the cap becomes fairly redundant, whether slung over your shoulder or in a bag. If it is dusty the whole camera goes in a bag and there is still no need to put the hood on.
The 7 is bigger, but so is the neg.
The 7 finders are very poor if you ask me. Little distortion but very flary and low contrast compared to the RF645 finder (I would rather have the distortion) and CV finders
Never put it on. Keep a filter in place and the hood on and the cap becomes fairly redundant, whether slung over your shoulder or in a bag. If it is dusty the whole camera goes in a bag and there is still no need to put the hood on.
The 7 is bigger, but so is the neg.
The 7 finders are very poor if you ask me. Little distortion but very flary and low contrast compared to the RF645 finder (I would rather have the distortion) and CV finders
Svitantti
Well-known
I loved the retractable mount with the 6 (MF). Missed this with 7 (II), but the 6x7 format was nice, except for negative archiving...
Also I didn't have those at the same time, but I remember no difference in the rangefinder. Both have a great one, pretty much as good as a Leica.
Plaubel is f2.8, which I guess is the most appealing feature in it with folding. I would guess that the RF is not as good as with Mamiyas and it is not as sharp. Also might be a bit "weaker" camera overall (build quality).
Oh yeah, forgot the multiple exposure button...
Also I didn't have those at the same time, but I remember no difference in the rangefinder. Both have a great one, pretty much as good as a Leica.
Plaubel is f2.8, which I guess is the most appealing feature in it with folding. I would guess that the RF is not as good as with Mamiyas and it is not as sharp. Also might be a bit "weaker" camera overall (build quality).
Oh yeah, forgot the multiple exposure button...
historicist
Well-known
I've never used a Mamiya RF but the RF on the Plaubel 67 is pretty poor - definitely much worse than a Leica. I would be surprised if the Mamiyas were not better than the Plaubel.
TJV
Well-known
The Plaubel camera I used had a pretty poor rangefinder. It was more dim than the Mamiya 7ii I own and the contrast of the patch was worse. I suspect this may be partly an age thing. The main difference though with the Plaubel is it is not an interchangeable lens camera and it's much slower to focus in my hands. Worth the effort when you see the final pics though!
Cereal
Newbie
Hello,
I've used the Mamiya 6, 7ii and the Plaubel 67, and my 2 cents would be:
They all take fantastic pictures. They all cost real money. It's mainly in the ergonomics, functions and lenses that you make your choice.
RF spots and frame lines on the Mamiyas are much (much) brighter and the Mamiya RF seems way more accurate. Also meter readout is much easier to see in the Mamiyas than the Plaubel.
The Mamiyas have aperture-priority auto, so can work much faster if you like that function ( I do).
Focus by thumbwheel on the Plaubel is weird and slow, at least for me. I also use old RF folders that focus this way, so it doesn't confuse me too much (it might confuse others - takes getting used to and you may find yourself adjusting aperture or shutter when you mean to focus) it's just that it's actually, physically hard to use, compared to say old Voigtlanders which are very smooth.
Having both speed and aperture on the Plaubel lens is OK if you're used to old cameras; it may confuse you otherwise or slow you down.
Obviously, the Plaubel only gives you one lens. Which is fine, but the Mamiyas are complete systems. Even the 6 with only three lenses pretty much covers everything. And all three lenses are basically perfect.
I usually like square more than rectangular, so prefer the M6, which is also (to me) the most comfortble to hold and most ergonomic and logically laid out.
M6 feels way more solid than M7ii. The fact that it collapses is huge - much more portable.
Plaubel looks way cool and minimalist, but it's actually kind of hard to hold, at least compared to the Mamiyas, which are molded to your hand.
M7/7ii needs stupid external finder for its wide lenses while the M6 has all frame lines built in. This is a big deal for me - I hate bobbing between windows like a chicken (and I hate having to carry these things around or worse, forget them..big problem!) Whole point of these cameras is they are easy to carry and work fast.
M6 uses same lens back caps for all lenses. M7 uses different ones. God help you if you lose the back cap for your 50 or 43mm lenses. Clearly not an issue for the Plaubel.
Mamiya lens hoods are stupid - while on, it's nearly impossible to put lens cap on or off (unless you have lots of filters stacked on). Not a big deal if you use UV filters instead of lens caps (actually a good idea for most RF's..fewer black frames).
Mamiyas allow you to dial in up to 2 stops exposure control directly and easily seen on TOP of the camera around shutter speed dial. Plaubel requires you to calculate in your head or move ASA ring..which is on the BOTTOM of the camera, and easy to forget about.
Speaking of which, the ASA ring can be easily, inadvertently moved while adjusting shutter speed, whic is bad.
I LOVE multiple exposures, and that was the one thing that kept me with the 7ii so long, though I much prefer to shoot the 6. I recently sold the 7 since I didn't use it much, but regret it, and will certainly get another, just for that reason. If the 6 had (or could be tweaked to have) multiple exposures it would be the best camera ever made, for me.
Repair on the PLaubel will cost much more than on M7ii.
Plaubel's design is more prone to problems - i.e. the wires connecting the lens to meter readout, lazy tongs more likely to go out of parallel. Also, you have a bellows you can puncture (though I haven't had that happen..but no chance on the Mamiyas).
Film box top holder on the Mamiyas are on the back and the right size- on the Plaubel, it's on the side of lens mount and too small! Means you have to trim the box top, can't see it when camera is folded down, and it can fall out inside! Detail, but still.
The Mamiyas are much quieter than the Plaubel.
However, if the batteries on the Mamiyas go, your shutter dies. Not so on Plaubel.
There may be one or two other things I can't think of now...
Best of luck
I've used the Mamiya 6, 7ii and the Plaubel 67, and my 2 cents would be:
They all take fantastic pictures. They all cost real money. It's mainly in the ergonomics, functions and lenses that you make your choice.
RF spots and frame lines on the Mamiyas are much (much) brighter and the Mamiya RF seems way more accurate. Also meter readout is much easier to see in the Mamiyas than the Plaubel.
The Mamiyas have aperture-priority auto, so can work much faster if you like that function ( I do).
Focus by thumbwheel on the Plaubel is weird and slow, at least for me. I also use old RF folders that focus this way, so it doesn't confuse me too much (it might confuse others - takes getting used to and you may find yourself adjusting aperture or shutter when you mean to focus) it's just that it's actually, physically hard to use, compared to say old Voigtlanders which are very smooth.
Having both speed and aperture on the Plaubel lens is OK if you're used to old cameras; it may confuse you otherwise or slow you down.
Obviously, the Plaubel only gives you one lens. Which is fine, but the Mamiyas are complete systems. Even the 6 with only three lenses pretty much covers everything. And all three lenses are basically perfect.
I usually like square more than rectangular, so prefer the M6, which is also (to me) the most comfortble to hold and most ergonomic and logically laid out.
M6 feels way more solid than M7ii. The fact that it collapses is huge - much more portable.
Plaubel looks way cool and minimalist, but it's actually kind of hard to hold, at least compared to the Mamiyas, which are molded to your hand.
M7/7ii needs stupid external finder for its wide lenses while the M6 has all frame lines built in. This is a big deal for me - I hate bobbing between windows like a chicken (and I hate having to carry these things around or worse, forget them..big problem!) Whole point of these cameras is they are easy to carry and work fast.
M6 uses same lens back caps for all lenses. M7 uses different ones. God help you if you lose the back cap for your 50 or 43mm lenses. Clearly not an issue for the Plaubel.
Mamiya lens hoods are stupid - while on, it's nearly impossible to put lens cap on or off (unless you have lots of filters stacked on). Not a big deal if you use UV filters instead of lens caps (actually a good idea for most RF's..fewer black frames).
Mamiyas allow you to dial in up to 2 stops exposure control directly and easily seen on TOP of the camera around shutter speed dial. Plaubel requires you to calculate in your head or move ASA ring..which is on the BOTTOM of the camera, and easy to forget about.
Speaking of which, the ASA ring can be easily, inadvertently moved while adjusting shutter speed, whic is bad.
I LOVE multiple exposures, and that was the one thing that kept me with the 7ii so long, though I much prefer to shoot the 6. I recently sold the 7 since I didn't use it much, but regret it, and will certainly get another, just for that reason. If the 6 had (or could be tweaked to have) multiple exposures it would be the best camera ever made, for me.
Repair on the PLaubel will cost much more than on M7ii.
Plaubel's design is more prone to problems - i.e. the wires connecting the lens to meter readout, lazy tongs more likely to go out of parallel. Also, you have a bellows you can puncture (though I haven't had that happen..but no chance on the Mamiyas).
Film box top holder on the Mamiyas are on the back and the right size- on the Plaubel, it's on the side of lens mount and too small! Means you have to trim the box top, can't see it when camera is folded down, and it can fall out inside! Detail, but still.
The Mamiyas are much quieter than the Plaubel.
However, if the batteries on the Mamiyas go, your shutter dies. Not so on Plaubel.
There may be one or two other things I can't think of now...
Best of luck
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