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if we cut out the high school crap about which camera is best!
i get private messeges telling me this all the time!
people are just tired of all the kids proclaiming what is best for everyone else!
frankly, i'd like to do something about it but i'm not able to ban everyone i'd like to!
so, i'll ask everyone who feels the same way to help me out…just ignore the small minds that want to debate about things they have no experience with…it's pretty clear who is full of it and who wants to start a little trolling action…
ignore them, overtly as possible, make it clear they are not appreciated or wanted here.
i'm not talking about extolling the virtues of our favorite image making devices, film or digital, fuji or sony or what have you…i'm talking about the members who drop into every thread that has as a subject the camera they love to hate! and go on and on making the same lame points in each thread and post that they have been making since day one…
i am tired of it and i think many of you are as well.
rant? oh you bet your *** it's a rant!
i get private messeges telling me this all the time!
people are just tired of all the kids proclaiming what is best for everyone else!
frankly, i'd like to do something about it but i'm not able to ban everyone i'd like to!
so, i'll ask everyone who feels the same way to help me out…just ignore the small minds that want to debate about things they have no experience with…it's pretty clear who is full of it and who wants to start a little trolling action…
ignore them, overtly as possible, make it clear they are not appreciated or wanted here.
i'm not talking about extolling the virtues of our favorite image making devices, film or digital, fuji or sony or what have you…i'm talking about the members who drop into every thread that has as a subject the camera they love to hate! and go on and on making the same lame points in each thread and post that they have been making since day one…
i am tired of it and i think many of you are as well.
rant? oh you bet your *** it's a rant!
Joosep
Well-known
It is a primal need. To protect your belongings.
People used to protect food, then house, then money, now the reputation of the gear they own. The idea that someone got better gear for less money is a scary idea. The louder you are online, the better you sleep.
People used to protect food, then house, then money, now the reputation of the gear they own. The idea that someone got better gear for less money is a scary idea. The louder you are online, the better you sleep.
mfogiel
Veteran
I din not expect something like this from you Joe - you are taking away my joy of life !
And what about your latest 60/1.2 or whatever it was ???
And what about your latest 60/1.2 or whatever it was ???
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I din not expect something like this from you Joe - you are taking away my joy of life !
And what about your latest 60/1.2 or whatever it was ???
you misunderstand me…
i'm not talking about our regular gear talk…i could never end that!
i'm talking about the guy who enters a conversation just to put down a certain brand of gear…
pride of ownership is one thing…being a killjoy is another!
btgc
Veteran
It's easy to enforce powerful moderation of brand-flame-threads.
But then there should be plan - are only brand bashings deleted or what. Say, someone got tired of front-back focusing and moves to mirrorless and expresses his revelation, or opposite direction - to real optical finder, in rather strong manner - is this counted as bashing?
Moderation of forums and spices are two needful things, but watch the recipes.....and cooks, too
But then there should be plan - are only brand bashings deleted or what. Say, someone got tired of front-back focusing and moves to mirrorless and expresses his revelation, or opposite direction - to real optical finder, in rather strong manner - is this counted as bashing?
Moderation of forums and spices are two needful things, but watch the recipes.....and cooks, too
Michael Markey
Veteran
I understand the distinction .
Some of the posts around here have got a little puerile of late and are useless as a means of conveying any meaningful information about gear.
Some of the posts around here have got a little puerile of late and are useless as a means of conveying any meaningful information about gear.
f16sunshine
Moderator
I know how to be nice and am very good at it. That's all I can contribute the solving this problem. Lots of other very nice people here too to be grateful for.
But I will say this...
Sh!t attitudes and mean spirits here are a problem and I'm vey sympathetic to the Mods having to play heavy with the jerks that do exist.
The constant brand Holy-Wars are just awful and useless.
The Ignore list feature works to a certain extent. I use it for the particular member I suspect inspired this thread topic. Still .. end up seeing the results of his toxic posts as he baits others in.
Wouldn't it be cool to be able to set the ignore list for all members against those few spoilsports that linger here.
It would not take long to shut people up if not one person ever replied to their toxic posts.
They would never be the wiser as to why not. Just like that self importance is eliminated
Not so easy I know. Just trying to lighten things up.
Anyway, we have many super kind and friendly members too. Lets focus on that.
My 2c
But I will say this...
Sh!t attitudes and mean spirits here are a problem and I'm vey sympathetic to the Mods having to play heavy with the jerks that do exist.
The constant brand Holy-Wars are just awful and useless.
The Ignore list feature works to a certain extent. I use it for the particular member I suspect inspired this thread topic. Still .. end up seeing the results of his toxic posts as he baits others in.
Wouldn't it be cool to be able to set the ignore list for all members against those few spoilsports that linger here.
It would not take long to shut people up if not one person ever replied to their toxic posts.
They would never be the wiser as to why not. Just like that self importance is eliminated
Not so easy I know. Just trying to lighten things up.
Anyway, we have many super kind and friendly members too. Lets focus on that.
My 2c
jmilkins
Digited User
Thought I'd solved this for me by buying several of each species over the years, often influenced by their more erudite or passionate advocates, though not by those who just wanted to pay out on anything that was not "their" brand.
Now I can't leave the house inside 2 hours 'cos I can't choose ;-) -
Discovered the pleasure and pain of gearhead-ism.
Recently been positively influenced by some great low gear count photographers who have reinginted my ability to appreciate the photography side too. And the bonus - they get to try out the lenses and bodies I have hanging around not being properly used.
Win/Win.
And while our mods can't so much, I 'm grateful that I can ignore the trolls due to their weeding out the worst. Good on ya.
Now I can't leave the house inside 2 hours 'cos I can't choose ;-) -
Discovered the pleasure and pain of gearhead-ism.
Recently been positively influenced by some great low gear count photographers who have reinginted my ability to appreciate the photography side too. And the bonus - they get to try out the lenses and bodies I have hanging around not being properly used.
Win/Win.
And while our mods can't so much, I 'm grateful that I can ignore the trolls due to their weeding out the worst. Good on ya.
Richard G
Veteran
I haven't noticed a problem. Already this is a pretty nice place. The stoushes that occasionally occur seem to be over other more nebulous issues.
Soeren
Well-known
Hmm Maybe I don't pay enough attention here cause I hav'nt seen this as an issue. Maybe the thread tittle should be "This would be a much nicer place to moderate..."
michaelwj
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Second the hats off to the mods, a thankless job behind the scenes. Thanks.
I find it easiest to ignore the threads that are titled "my XXXX is the best ever", its typically only just been released and is prefect with all the M-mount lenses of course...
Try spending some time on dpreview forums. Wow. Without generalising too much, they are ALL experts at everything, and loud and obnoxious too
. I find these forums (fora?) to be incredibly friendly and welcoming, so the mods must get to it before I do, or more likely, I'm just oblivious to it.Michael
ps I love a good rant
pps Loving the 90mm John! Cheers.
ppps The M6 is the BEST camera ever. I win.
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
It's a bit like any other religion: if someone is totally sure they're right, they're definitely wrong. Minds like that are too small to accept new information.
Short of handing them a suicide vest and pointing them in the direction of someone else you don't like, there's very little you can do except ignore them.
Or you can tease them into a rage... :angel:
Short of handing them a suicide vest and pointing them in the direction of someone else you don't like, there's very little you can do except ignore them.
Or you can tease them into a rage... :angel:
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Not to mention the people who take great delight in dropping into a digital based thread to point out how much better film is!
GaryLH
Veteran
I don't think that there is any such thing as a camera that everyone thinks is the perfect camera.. There are always going to be discussions about the positive and negative aspects of what u have chosen. The big issue is knowing when one has crossed the line into bashing.
Trolls are a different issue though, especially those that are subtle in the way they draw u in..
The mods have a hard job.. They deserve to rant every so often.
Gary
OurManInTangier
An Undesirable
....The Ignore list feature works to a certain extent. I use it for the particular member I suspect inspired this thread topic. Still .. end up seeing the results of his toxic posts as he baits others in.
Wouldn't it be cool to be able to set the ignore list for all members against those few spoilsports that linger here.
It would not take long to shut people up if not one person ever replied to their toxic posts.
They would never be the wiser as to why not. Just like that self importance is eliminated
Not so easy I know. Just trying to lighten things up.....
Andy, I think this feature must exist already as I usually find my posts go unanswered or kill a thread entirely
Probably more dull than toxic though thegman
Veteran
Not to mention the people who take great delight in dropping into a digital based thread to point out how much better film is!
It's important that people learn.
Joke.
Although in reply to the original post, it's probably easier just to not let posts bother you than it is to prevent people from saying what they want to say.
RFF has it's annoyances, stuff which will make you roll your eyes, but just ignore it, it's easier. As a moderator, obviously you have to do a bit more than the rest of us, but just remember: We're just people on the Internet. Our opinions are akin to certain orifices, we've all got them.
OurManInTangier
An Undesirable
There are very few characters here that I would consider regular trolls, a little arrogance from time to time and probably a lot of posts written without too much thought about how they may be read and perceived by a world wide audience ( something I've certainly been guilty of.) However, there are some outright trolls, bullies and arses and I wouldn't mind seeing them 'dealt with' in some way.
Of course finding a way that isn't overbearing, dictatorial and 'fits the crime' is the interesting part. I quite like Andy's idea simply because you continue to let them do their worst without stopping their right to free speech whilst cutting off the oxygen, though this of course stops 'our' right to reply...tricky and I doubt there's a way that would please a majority.
Just as well its only a tiny minority and they can't quite spoil it for everyone else as there's just too many of us.
Of course finding a way that isn't overbearing, dictatorial and 'fits the crime' is the interesting part. I quite like Andy's idea simply because you continue to let them do their worst without stopping their right to free speech whilst cutting off the oxygen, though this of course stops 'our' right to reply...tricky and I doubt there's a way that would please a majority.
Just as well its only a tiny minority and they can't quite spoil it for everyone else as there's just too many of us.
Camera Wars seem to be symptomatic of the internet... I've complained to some of the people I know in person from RFF and they've pointed out that many other forums are a lot worse than RFF. A quick check around the internet tells me they are right. At least here it generally is about lens IQ or ergonomics... and not charts and tests (and I know some here feel the reverse is more important, so who am I to judge). Subjective stuff is always hard to sway people to your side. The fact is that ALL of this equipment, whether film or digital, works well for photography.
I think many here really love photography as well as cameras. On some other sites, you'd swear people only like equipment. I'm not so sure that is bad except for when it comes to arguing over which is better when that can only be decided by the user and what fits THEIR photographic expectations / needs.
I think many here really love photography as well as cameras. On some other sites, you'd swear people only like equipment. I'm not so sure that is bad except for when it comes to arguing over which is better when that can only be decided by the user and what fits THEIR photographic expectations / needs.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
It could also be a lot worse IMO ... we have some people here who may be happier strangling puppies in their spare time but what the hell, this is the way democracy works!
Steve Bellayr
Veteran
IMHO: Ignore the rants and snide remarks. Most people should be able to recognize a thoughtful review. Sometimes a question or review needs to be posted again as it has not been asked in a long time and after all there are new members.