RFF Challenging The Net

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There is an ongoing recent thread, called internet forums vs. creativity & improvement, somehow trying to defend RFF right for free gear speech, and perhaps the USA constitution, so to speak.

I have been repeating over and over that the world of Photography goes far beyond image making. No wonder I seem to be a lonely voice in the desert since we seem to be all a group of artists or going-to-be-artists.

But it is only now that I come to realize in quite precise terms the weak point leading us to fail time and again when pointed with the finger about our gear talk.

The trap into which we seem to fall time and again is simple to death. When we discuss our right to open our mouth, our right to breath, or any other basic right we should be undertaking without discussion - the problem is that we start from the same false axiomas by which we are attacked as a forum.

I would like to invite each of us to the page detailing all the sub-forums we have: just click the "forums" button on this page, above, and point me where else this richness is found.

"Of course", some may replay, but it is the image what is above all. Therefore, under this false outrageous ignorant flat minded premise, we are just another forum, and not a special one, not a rich one, NOT THE UNIQUE FORUM THAT WE ARE INDEED.

This is highly important, to my opinion, as a RFF proud member who takes its membership not as a casual fact, but as a source of pride, deep comunity pride.

To my humble opinion folks, art is not the most important, not in the world, not in life. Nor the concept of art is so clear that we can say we all are discussing about the same thing.

Finally I also fail to understand where are the hard core medals, or credentials, under which those postulating the image making as above all can justifyiedly claim their own creation is of worldwide reckognition, or even town local reckognition, or even undisputable hystoric reckognition, or undisputable creations by themselves, enabling such ignorant-life empty talk putting into question marks the true creative dynamics of RFF discussions.

I would also like to express my symphaties with the consumers of RFF LIGHT, who never miss RFF space to express how bored they are with the forum, where they only come to find a rest after their long day of creativity. These guys are unique. Their creation.... hmmm.

Because the ABC of art, any art, starts with originality, with shaking yourself from old axiomas and "answering a question that has not yet asked" with their work. And I am very curious to see it on RFF detractors.



Cheers,
Ruben
 
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Ruben, "the world of Photography goes far beyond image making" seems like a nonsense statement to me. I think I understand what you are trying to say, but the fact is that everything except image making is actually on the periphery of photography. Photography was invented to create images, not to provide companies with a new toy to make money from or to generate endless debate about the best camera strap on Internet forums.
 
Picket, I do have a simple question to you. Where in your opinion is the place of Maitani in the world of photography ?, or Kobayashi ?

The point is not debating about a strap. The point is if you have something new or original to say about straps.

Where is the periphery and where is the epicenter. Where is the center of image making ? In a specific guy selling now in the 5th avenue or in the millions taking pictures ? Who owns the truth ?

Furthermore, what has had the greatest impact on humanity regarding photography, the form or the info ?

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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The point is if you have something new or original to say about straps.

I'm waiting breathlessly to hear anything new or original about straps. The instant you hear anything on this subject, please post immediately.

I would not want to be out of the loop if the strap fashion changes and I'm the only one who was not advised.

* Rosselini can be lived without, but if you believe in Groucho, you cannot live without Chicolini:

"Chicolini here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot."


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The point is if you have something new or original to say about straps.

I'm waiting breathlessly to hear anything new or original about straps. The instant you hear anything on this subject, please post immediately.

I would not want to be out of the loop if the strap fashion changes and I'm the only one who was not advised.

* Rosselini can be lived without, but if you believe in Groucho, you cannot live without Chicolini:

"Chicolini here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot."


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I feel great with your need for taking shelter under the ridiculous and extreme, as it seems to be nothing else but the clear mark of the lack of a consistent answer, or thought.

Btw, any strap is a concrete aplication of art, having had to be designed to one degree of perfection or another. A highly successfully strap, confering us pleasure when using it, unifyies both form design and convenience.

The ability to design at high level of aesthetics and convenience of use, is a skill I would not disdain at all.

A lot of well designed straps are more worth than much of the images we display.

Now, is here around a guy able to stand up and claim his images are worth more than any single strap ever designed.? Is here a guy bold enough to stand up and claim HIS creativie image making is worther than any RFF discussion ?

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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I think that all this genius concerning straps would be most welcome in the S/M restraint business.

any strap is a concrete aplication of art, having had to be designed to one degree of perfection or another. A highly successfully strap, confering us pleasure when using it

OH YEAH! STRAP ME, BABY!




I feel great with your need for taking shelter under the ridiculous and extreme, as it seems to be nothing else but the clear mark of the lack of a consistent answer, or thought.

Btw, any strap is a concrete aplication of art, having had to be designed to one degree of perfection or another. A highly successfully strap, confering us pleasure when using it, unifyies both form design and convenience.

The ability to design at high level of aesthetics and convenience of use, is a skill I would not disdain at all.

A lot of well designed straps are more worth than much of the images we display.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
Hey, one could successfully argue that photography was invented for the sole purpose of "snagging a model".

It's a time honored pursuit of even the best photographers.
 
I think I understand you Ruben. I too enjoy the "gear" side of photography. Appreciation for a well engineered product is not mutually exclusive from the artistic merit or capabilities of the item.

Cheers
Steven
 
Or, to skip right to a more important subject.....what is the definitive recipe for the perfect curry goat?
 
Hey. I like gear too, but one has to guard against slipping from the sublime to the absurd.

I think I understand you Ruben. I too enjoy the "gear" side of photography. Appreciation for a well engineered product is not mutually exclusive from the artistic merit or capabilities of the item.

Cheers
Steven
 
People, in general, are very good at distinguishing "either, or" type of questions but rather than posit "it is the image or the gear", I think an attempt to not exclude one or the other is valid.
And, certainly, what works for me and my creativity does not mean that everyone must, should, or ought to approach photography the way that I do.
And to say that, "artists don't talk anout their tools" is, in my experience, false. The more experienced atrists I know may not do so much now mainly because they already have. And by now they have figured out what works--or doesn't--for them selves.
If I'm hanging out with other chefs, we mostly talk about the food followed by annoying customers, then our staff, and yes we do talk about the tools. We talk about the pots and knives less but not because they are not important but because we are, by now--I've been working in kitchens for about 30 years now and my peers about that long also--well versed in what works foe each of us. Get some new kid asking for advice about the tools or one of us old farts thinking about a new piece of equipment and you will end up with a very spirited and obsessive conversation!
And, in fact, I appreciate hearing about straps--I surely don't know all that is to know about them and I might learn something new.
Rob
 
Look at Chicolini!

Prosecutor:
Chicolini...When were you born?
Chicolini: I don't remember...I was just a little baby.
Prosecutor: Isn't it true you tried to sell Freedonia's secret war code and plans?
Chicolini: Sure! I sold a code and to paira plans! Heh, heh...(To Groucho) At's some joke, eh boss?
Firefly: Now I'll betcha twenty to one we find you guilty!
Prosecutor: Chicolini...Have you anyone here to defend you?
Chicolini: It'sa no use. I even offered to pay as high as eighteen dollars, but I no coulda getta somebody to defend me.
Firefly: (Pontificating) My friends...This case moves me deeply. Look at Chicolini...He sits there alone...An abject figure.
Chicolini: I abject!
Firefly: (Pontificating again) I say, look at Chicolini...He sits there alone...a pitiable object! Let's see you get outta that one...Surrounded by a sea of unfriendly faces...Chicolini! Give me a number from one to ten!
Chicolini: Eleven!
Firefly: Right!
Chicolini: Now I ask you one...What is it has a trunk but no key, weighs two thousand pounds, and lives in a circus?
Prosecutor: That's irrelevant!
Chicolini: A relaphant? Hey! That's the answer...There's a whole lotta relephants in the circus.
Judge: That sort of testimony we can eliminate!
Chicolini: At'sa fine, I'll take some.
Judge: You'll take what?
Chicolini: A lemonade...A nice, cold glassa lemonade. (Aside to Firefly) Hey boss, I'm goin' good!
Firefly: Gentlemen...Chicolini here may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you...He really is an idiot. I implore you! Send him back to his father and brothers, who are waiting for him with open arms in the penitentiary...I suggest that we give him ten years in Levenworth, or eleven years in Twelveworth!
Chicolini: I'll tell you what I do...I'll take five and ten in Woolworth!
Firefly: I wanted to get a writ of Habeas Corpus, but I should've gotten a-rid of you instead.
 
SHHHHHHH!! Don't tell anyone else about HELGA.

You vant she should raise her rates?
 
perfecting making photos to your liking is no different than making the most perfect apple strudel.
most or us have a long way to go in making both, but we keep going, using the same materials for the most part, and just tweeking it here and there.
 
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