Spavinaw
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I have owned a Rollei Prego 90 for years. It has a 28-90 mm lens. However recently I have seen for auction Rollei Prego 90 cameras with 38-90mm lenses. They look like an entirely different camera. I think there is one for auction right now. Can anyone explain this situation and what is going on? I have never heard of two different cameras with the same name!
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
"Rollei Prego" is not a camera, but essentially a brand, used (independently of the Rollei division making medium format cameras, first by a sister company within the same holding, later, after one of their many insolvencies, even entirely independent) for a pretty wide variety of re-branded Japanese point-and-shoot cameras. The ones I've had were relabelled Ricoh (R1) and Fujifilm cameras, but there may have been even more suppliers - some of the ones depicted online are not very similar to any camera by the above makers.
farlymac
PF McFarland
Mine was made by Rollei Fototechnic Germany, is called the Prego Zoom, and has a Schneider-Kreuznach 35-70mm HFT Makro lens.
PF
PF
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Probably internally the same as the Fuji Discovery S-700 - a f/3.9 start value on the lens won't be that frequent, and the controls line up as well...
Spavinaw
Well-known
Well, my Prego 90 says Rollei Phototechnic Germany also, don't know what's inside.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
This will add to the fun:
Being an iconoclast, I'll add that putting a film in them and taking a test roll showed little or no differences that I could see in 5" x 7" prints.
Regards, David
This will add to the fun:
Being an iconoclast, I'll add that putting a film in them and taking a test roll showed little or no differences that I could see in 5" x 7" prints.
Regards, David
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Oh, and throw in Konica - my mother used to own a Konica A4 in Rollei Prego branding. But that one might also have been produced by Samsung (who seem to have entered the AF compacts market with a A4 clone/license).
JeffL
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I had heard that at least some of the Rollei Prego were made by Samsung. I remember a test where the Prego with 28-90 (?) Schneider branded lens got good reviews for image quality.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Yep. David had already posted one of them (and chances are that Samsung also made the similarly shaped Fuji) - given that Samsung was a partner in Schneider Korea when Schneider and Rollei were both owned by Manderman, that is no surprise. But Rollei Prego started before that, and the name continued to be used past the break-up of the Manderman empire and one or two more Rollei insolvencies. There even were some digital point-and-shoots, even one German (Jenoptik, another Manderman company) designed one.
Greyscale
Veteran
pvdhaar
Peter
The Rollei Prego 90 that the OP refers to is probably the one shown here: http://www.cameramuseum.nl/rollei.htm Scroll to the bottom, and this page shows the Prego 90 with vario-apogon 4,8/38-90 from 2002..
schaki
Established
Rollei even rebranded at least one of the Ricoh film compact cameras and two of their digital cameras. There may be some more which I not know about however.
Rollei Prego Micron and Ricoh R1 are the Same.
The digital cameras Rollei DR5100 and DR5 is the Ricoh Caplio GX and Ricoh Caplio R1V.
The Ricoh Caplio R1 and R1V have nothing directly related to the film comapct Ricoh R1 despite the similar name.
Rollei Prego Micron and Ricoh R1 are the Same.
The digital cameras Rollei DR5100 and DR5 is the Ricoh Caplio GX and Ricoh Caplio R1V.
The Ricoh Caplio R1 and R1V have nothing directly related to the film comapct Ricoh R1 despite the similar name.
Greyscale
Veteran
Fuji Klasse S & Rollei AFM35 are nearly identical.
Spavinaw
Well-known
Seems we're getting a lot of discussion about the same camera with different names but not much on different cameras with the same name, which is what I asked about. But go ahead, it's OK with me. I appreciate pvdhaar pointing out a reference to the more obscure Prego 90.
David Hughes
David Hughes
OK, I'll throw in the '2000 Millennium Edition' Samsung Fino 89 XL with its 38 to 8omm lens with an ASPH element. Alas, my one had the rear element of the, objective fall out and someone had glued it badly in place. Not noticed by me in the shop as there was the traditional dead battery and half used film in it but it only cost a pound so I didn't worry and threw it in the bin without photographing it.
Regards, David
Regards, David
Archlich
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Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. Just that I happen to be researching into this recently.
1. The old (c. 1996), larger, better known "Prego 90" is the Rollei version of the Sausung Slim Zoom 290wS. I managed to get both:
Pretty self-explanatory. Both lenses are 28-90/3.6-9.8, with 11 elements in 8 groups. Even battery doors are interchangeable. The only meaningful difference is buttons on the Rollei are a bit larger & easier to press.
Further research reveal that these are repackaged (likely licensed to be made in Korea) Fuji Zoom CARDIA super WIDE 328 (c. 1995), a model available exclusively in Japan:
photo courtesy:https://navi.kitamura.jp/used/2144151157706/?path=フィルムカメラ
Apparently an entire line of Prego cameras that share the same set of controls are essentially Fuji Cardia/DL/Discovery cameras.
2. Then comes this "new" (c. 2002) Prego 90 in question, about which the information is quite scarce.
photo courtesy: http://mizusawa.dip.jp/~mizusawa/penguin/CAMEdata/Rollei/prego90date.html
So this is called a "Prego 90 Date" - rather redundant since the old Prego 90 already has a data back. Note how there's also a very similar "Prego 105 Date".
No apparent Samsung equivalent to this Prego 90 "Date" can be identified. There is a lower end "Giro 90" in Rollei's portfolio though which seems to be a twin of the Samsung Fino 900S, a model available exclusively to Korea.
My wild guess is these Pregos trace back to the Pentax Espio/ IQZoom 90MC and 105Mi, released in 1997 and 2001 respectively. Zoom range, aperture range, AF system (5-point phase detection "Multi AF", a Pentax signature at the time), feature set are all very similar if not downright identical to each other. Just that the Rollei doesn't have the Espio 90MC's sliding cover.
Top of the Prego 90 "Date". The layout is very similar to Pentax Espios from the same era.
photo courtesy: random Chinese auction page
So much for a confusing name!
1. The old (c. 1996), larger, better known "Prego 90" is the Rollei version of the Sausung Slim Zoom 290wS. I managed to get both:
Pretty self-explanatory. Both lenses are 28-90/3.6-9.8, with 11 elements in 8 groups. Even battery doors are interchangeable. The only meaningful difference is buttons on the Rollei are a bit larger & easier to press.
Further research reveal that these are repackaged (likely licensed to be made in Korea) Fuji Zoom CARDIA super WIDE 328 (c. 1995), a model available exclusively in Japan:
photo courtesy:https://navi.kitamura.jp/used/2144151157706/?path=フィルムカメラ
Apparently an entire line of Prego cameras that share the same set of controls are essentially Fuji Cardia/DL/Discovery cameras.
2. Then comes this "new" (c. 2002) Prego 90 in question, about which the information is quite scarce.
photo courtesy: http://mizusawa.dip.jp/~mizusawa/penguin/CAMEdata/Rollei/prego90date.html
So this is called a "Prego 90 Date" - rather redundant since the old Prego 90 already has a data back. Note how there's also a very similar "Prego 105 Date".
No apparent Samsung equivalent to this Prego 90 "Date" can be identified. There is a lower end "Giro 90" in Rollei's portfolio though which seems to be a twin of the Samsung Fino 900S, a model available exclusively to Korea.
My wild guess is these Pregos trace back to the Pentax Espio/ IQZoom 90MC and 105Mi, released in 1997 and 2001 respectively. Zoom range, aperture range, AF system (5-point phase detection "Multi AF", a Pentax signature at the time), feature set are all very similar if not downright identical to each other. Just that the Rollei doesn't have the Espio 90MC's sliding cover.
Top of the Prego 90 "Date". The layout is very similar to Pentax Espios from the same era.
photo courtesy: random Chinese auction page
So much for a confusing name!
Huss
Veteran
Leica and Minolta have a bunch of matching twin p&s cameras.
The Leica version tends to be literally 10x the cost.
I have the Leica AF-C1, and the identical Minolta version can be had for $20. The Leica? $200.
The Leica version tends to be literally 10x the cost.
I have the Leica AF-C1, and the identical Minolta version can be had for $20. The Leica? $200.
pschauss
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Any idea what the maximum aperture of that lens is at 35 and 70 mm? The lens on mine seems to be reasonably fast at the short end but gets seriously slower as I zoom.
