bayernfan
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https://leicarumors.com/2018/05/28/...amera-to-be-announced-in-june-leica-c-m.aspx/
thoughts? speculations?
thoughts? speculations?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Crappy-Mirrorless.
Ronald M
Veteran
Crappy-Mirrorless.
vote with your wallet like me
Huss
Veteran
Crappy-Mirrorless.
"The new full frame camera will be based on a new sensor with outstanding low light high dynamic range capabilities"
If the EVF is better than the one in the CL, and the price is less (much less) than the M10, then Leica will have a winner.
lynnb
Veteran
Technology obsolescence. The sooner they get to "good enough" the better. Maybe this will be it.The new full frame camera will be based on a new sensor with outstanding low light high dynamic range capabilities
Michael Markey
Veteran
If the EVF is better than the one in the CL, and the price is less (much less) than the M10, then Leica will have a winner.
Yes …. they finally seem to be heading in the right direction for the market.
bayernfan
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i find the use of M lenses through an EVF to be a sluggish procedure and uninspiring overall. through the traditional optical viewfinder, the rangefinder patch is unobtrusive and immediately available. seeing things outside the framelines is also a huge perk. these are quintessential M traits.
if leica can create an incredibly novel hybrid viewfinder that retains these features, i'll be interested.
otherwise, why not just create an interchangeable lens Q with an L mount? autofocus lenses that also have true manual-focus, a detailed focus scale, and hard-stops for those of us that like to zone focus.
if leica can create an incredibly novel hybrid viewfinder that retains these features, i'll be interested.
otherwise, why not just create an interchangeable lens Q with an L mount? autofocus lenses that also have true manual-focus, a detailed focus scale, and hard-stops for those of us that like to zone focus.
bayernfan
Well-known
Technology obsolescence. The sooner they get to "good enough" the better. Maybe this will be it.
i think several brands have been at "good enough" for quite some time. for example, the Canon 5D2 from 9 years ago is capable of producing fantastic images by 2018 standards.
i also consider the M240 to be a "good enough" camera. the functionality and image quality are excellent. it's a bit too chunky in the hand, so the M10 finally got that right.
brennanphotoguy
Well-known
i think several brands have been at "good enough" for quite some time. for example, the Canon 5D2 from 9 years ago is capable of producing fantastic images by 2018 standards.
i also consider the M240 to be a "good enough" camera. the functionality and image quality are excellent. it's a bit too chunky in the hand, so the M10 finally got that right.
Agree 100%. I think if they created a Q with L mount and smaller lenses it would be a big hit.
FrozenInTime
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I would be interested.
At the weekend I lost many images as I did not notice the polarizing filter I put on the 75mm summicron , to help cut through the haze, had somehow obtained a grease film all over the inner facing surface. The contrast was so low the results look like they are from a plastic holga lens.
With close up wide angle framing, longer lenses and polarizing filters - the rangefinder is not best : but those tiny lenses are all I would want to carrry.
At the weekend I lost many images as I did not notice the polarizing filter I put on the 75mm summicron , to help cut through the haze, had somehow obtained a grease film all over the inner facing surface. The contrast was so low the results look like they are from a plastic holga lens.
With close up wide angle framing, longer lenses and polarizing filters - the rangefinder is not best : but those tiny lenses are all I would want to carrry.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
I am not very impressed with adapted lenses on mirrorless cameras in general. Focusing for me is too iffy to feel confident. And focus peaking is sort of dodgy. I tend to think it only works because DOF covers focus errors. Maybe with the SL with its best in class viewfinder it is different. Or maybe the next round of Sonys with its new UXGA EVF will be the ones to use. If Leica wants this new mirrorless camera to be successful, it needs to do something different with AF lenses. The SL lenses are gargantuan and hideously expensive.i find the use of M lenses through an EVF to be a sluggish procedure and uninspiring overall.
DougFord
on the good foot
This should be a very interesting effort from Leica.
The attempted bifurcation of the M product line. What the heck is this thing going to look like?? Presumably there will be 'rangefinder' design cues, more than just the placement of the EVF. Egad, an M type thang with an integrated grip?? There'll be riots! lol
Large autofocus (SL) lenses on an M sized body doesn't make sense.
...spitballing... Didn't Nikon place the autofocus motor inside of one of their cameras? It could also be used, via an adapter, to autofocus m lenses.
Anyway, should be interesting to see what Leica/Panasonic has come up with this time, given the design parameters.
The attempted bifurcation of the M product line. What the heck is this thing going to look like?? Presumably there will be 'rangefinder' design cues, more than just the placement of the EVF. Egad, an M type thang with an integrated grip?? There'll be riots! lol
Large autofocus (SL) lenses on an M sized body doesn't make sense.
...spitballing... Didn't Nikon place the autofocus motor inside of one of their cameras? It could also be used, via an adapter, to autofocus m lenses.
Anyway, should be interesting to see what Leica/Panasonic has come up with this time, given the design parameters.
aizan
Veteran
i’d prefer an m10 where they replaced the reverse galilean viewfinder with an evf, articulated the lcd, and added ibis. basically an improved fuji x-e3.
Crappy-Mirrorless.
I would think it'll be closer to a an over-priced, but brilliant mirrorless camera than crappy. BUT I'm not biased against mirrorless.
bayernfan
Well-known
i’d prefer an m10 where they replaced the reverse galilean viewfinder with an evf, articulated the lcd, and added ibis. basically an improved fuji x-e3.
no, no, and no.
Axel
singleshooter
i’d prefer an m10 where they replaced the reverse galilean viewfinder with an evf, articulated the lcd, and added ibis. basically an improved fuji x-e3.
You can buy that from Sony since several years and use any (M) lens you want.
I think a new Leica has to be more than a metoo-mirrorless. Although it sems to be a fullframe. Let´s see what is coming here
You can buy that from Sony since several years and use any (M) lens you want.
Really, Sony has an M10 shaped mirrorless camera?
Huss
Veteran
You can buy that from Sony since several years and use any (M) lens you want.
As long as you are not picky about image quality as Sony uses much thicker sensor cover glass than Leica.
After my Q experience I will never buy a digital Leica.
santino
FSU gear head
Nikon and Canon will release a full frame mirrorless too.. its getting interesting.
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