Should I buy the NEX 6 Or Fuji Xpro 1?

back alley said:
happy life = happy wife?
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Yep...:D

I have Nex 5n and Fuji xp1. Only reason I keep Nex around is for a couple of old legacy lenses that cannot be used w/ Ricoh gxr or Fuji.

Personally I do not like UI on Nex series, but Nex 6 seems to have gotten better, the worst offender being the video button.. No way to disable it on my nex5n. I heard that they listened. The nex6 kit w/ 24-80ish zoom is a good deal. There are some nice fixed length lenses for Sony from other vendors and Sony has finally listened and started releasing some good ones of their own.

I feel the Fuji is better in terms of
- better lenses and good road map
- outside of the raw issue, which they are now listening to, they listen
- good fw update support
- no anti-aliasing filter due to xtran sensor design
- m adapter w/ lens aberration adjustment
- Fuji colors (plus Fuji film emulation)
- best out of camera jpgs

Sony is better
- focus peaking
- faster af (both phase and contrast due to new sensor)
- best movie mode
- slight edge on sweep Pano mode
- raw support much easier to support from all vendors due to Bayer pattern.

Some possible compromises
- buy both?:eek:
- buy the xe1 instead - now it is more similar to nex6
- buy xp1, if by showing her how to turn it into a p&s and use evf or LCD instead works.

Btw, don't get me wrong... both are good cameras, I think u can't go wrong in either case. For what I want out of a camera, the Fuji hits all my check boxes.

Good luck..

Gary
 
Same choice that many of us faced with the NEX-7. BTW.. the video button can now be locked out.

I don't think that you can go wrong either way. Focus peaking and better video had me go with the NEX-7. I use the video with a Nikon zoom, external microphone and HDMI monitor to shoot my daughter's soccer games for the team. There are overheating issues with long videos.
 
Quick question to Xpro 1 owners:

When using M-mount lenses via an adapter, what do you actually see through the viewfinder as focus confirmation? Is there an indicator of some sort? I'm talking specifically about using M lenses via an adapter.

Thanks.
 
xxfellinixx said:
I think I'll stick with my Contax G2
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:D Best answer ever.

By the time you decide, Fuji will have released 4 updates to firmware all incrementally increasing focus speed and Sony will of released 3 more cameras.

(I own a 5n and see no reason to upgrade just yet, maybe it's because that's about as much as i'd want to spend on digital right now ($~400)
 
kxl said:
Quick question to Xpro 1 owners:

When using M-mount lenses via an adapter, what do you actually see through the viewfinder as focus confirmation? Is there an indicator of some sort? I'm talking specifically about using M lenses via an adapter.

Thanks.
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U can use either the evf or LCD to focus @ 1x, 3x or 10x. No focus peaking currently supported.

Zone or hyper focus, u can use the ovf and the frame lines.

W/ the Fuji adapter, Fuji allows custom settings for Len focal length and things like barrel/pin distortion, aberrations, and color related corrections. Same as Ricoh gxr w/ a12 m unit.

Gary
 
I just had my X-Pro1 stolen so I'm facing a similar choice.

For me the choice would be between the NEX-7 and an X-E1.

My wonderful local Camera Shoppe allowed me to take out a NEX-7 and the Zeiss 24/1.8 yesterday for two hours without even ID or a a security deposit. ("We know who you are. Please don't drop it!"). I shot about 200 frames in RAW + JPEG. Here are some of my thoughts:

• Both cameras (NEX-7 and X-E1) use the same OLED EVF component.

• The NEX-7 feels better in the hand than the X-Pro.

• The X-Pro has superior (hard-encoded) manual controls.

• The X-Pro has a considerably better lens roadmap.

• The NEX-7 already has the Zeiss 24/1.8, a wonderful lens. I'd be happy using *only* that lens.

• The Fuji 23/1.4 is on the way.

• Both cameras have great sensors. In my opinion, after a LOT of experience with the X-Pro1 sensor (same as in the X-E1), the Fuji delivers RAW files that are more to my liking. The Sony has considerably more chrominance noise at ISO 400-1600 and the noise is a lot less film-like. I prefer the Fuji sensor's output, but only by a bit. (And this is really saying something as I consider myself something of a Sony partisan). The Fuji files require less sharpening, less chroma noise reduction, and (probably due to a higher fraction of green pixels) look better in black and white. I emphasize that these are not huge differences. Both sensors are superb.

• The Fuji JPEG engine makes all JPEG engines except Olympus look like bad jokes. It is staggeringly good. Especially in black and white. Put bluntly, Sony does not understand how to do this.

• The NEX cameras have nicely implemented focus peaking but the "shimmering" MF assist on the Fujis is quite good as well.

• If you care about video, don't mess around. Get a NEX.

• If you want a really nice OVF, the Fuji X-Pro1 (or the Big L) is the only choice. Note that the EVF in the X-Pro1 is slightly lower-spec than the one in the NEX-7 and X-E1.

In the end I can say from firsthand experience that both the X-Pro1 and the NEX-7 are superb, and I fully expect that the X-E1 and NEX-6 will also be up to snuff. After a lot of thought and playing with the gear, I'm getting another Fuji. However, I am confident that if I got a NEX-7 or NEX-6 instead, I'd do work of equal quality.

Get whichever one you want, know that they are cameras of similar (substantial) capability, learn the one you get, don't second-guess yourself, and do stellar work with it!

Oh, and one last thing:

• For anything that is not sports or landscape work, the SLR is DOA.
 
kxl said:
Quick question to Xpro 1 owners:

When using M-mount lenses via an adapter, what do you actually see through the viewfinder as focus confirmation? Is there an indicator of some sort? I'm talking specifically about using M lenses via an adapter.

Thanks.
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There's a shimmering or aliasing on textures and at edges. It's subtle but not awful. I don't find it worse than Sony's peaking -- a bit slower but also in my hands more accurate. That said, in my view the native lenses are the way to go in both systems.
 
I just sold my NEX7 for an X-Pro1. I have ZERO regrets. The sony's handle like a dream, easier then easy to use, but I really dont like their high ISO noise, it's way too muddy for my taste. And I'm not just talking about low light. I know the NEX6 should give you better IQ then the NEX7, but that noise (its the same in all of Sony's line of NEX cameras), its just too distracting for me. I feel Fuji's noise is a lot more natural and feels more like film grain -- at least more then Sony's does.

Other then that I think the NEX cameras are amazing, but for me, after just 2 weeks, I'm definitely preferring the XP1 to my years of time spent with NEX cameras. The IQ is just simply amazing. And hot damn, if these Fujifilm cameras arent the hottest looking prosumer cameras around!

I should note that I havent shot with any of Fuji's lenses, Ive only been using MF lenses with adapters. So Theres a lot I dont know or probably ever know about this camera. So for me, its really just about whether I can focus with it and what my final output is.
 
semilog said:
There's a shimmering or aliasing on textures and at edges. It's subtle but not awful. I don't find it worse than Sony's peaking -- a bit slower but also in my hands more accurate. That said, in my view the native lenses are the way to go in both systems.
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My eyes aren't good enough to spot the shimmering, so I forgot about it.

Gary
 
The x series lenses from fujifilm are superb. The sony nex lens lineup is extremely lacking. Thats the main deciding point IMO.
 
There are quality Sigma lenses available and Leitz on the way for Nex.
I mostly use Laica M and Alpa with my Nex7. Can't wait to buy an AF lens at some point though.
 
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