Out to Lunch
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Freakscene
Obscure member
Worst centrefold ever.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
I'm surprised no one has commented on his embrace of 'electronic photography'. Cheers, OtL
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I knew about it before, from his book. We need someone like him to develop some teachable technique for Monochrome sensors.I'm surprised no one has commented on his embrace of 'electronic photography'. Cheers, OtL
Benjamin Marks
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Does he say he "read it for the articles?" 
It's been a while, but I don't recall the images in that magazine has having particularly great dynamic range.
It's been a while, but I don't recall the images in that magazine has having particularly great dynamic range.
Retro-Grouch
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Seems to me like Ansel was real good at dodging.
Muggins
Junk magnet
They had their outstanding points.Does he say he "read it for the articles?"
It's been a while, but I don't recall the images in that magazine has having particularly great dynamic range.
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Why does the presenter call him "Anzel" ... regional dialect?
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Rayt
Nonplayer Character
Why does the presenter call him "Anzel" ... regional dialect?
DEE-an Arbus. Is that the correct pronunciation I wonder?
Freakscene
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Yes, Arbus referred to herself using the European pronunciation. There are several recordings of her saying her name and she always clearly says Dee-ann.DEE-an Arbus. Is that the correct pronunciation I wonder?
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Why does the presenter call him "Anzel" ... regional dialect?
Yes, I am aware of common pronunciations like 'fiddy', 'wawrsh', tomaydo' and the good old "vaahz, vayze or vawze".
But I've never heard that name pronounced thus before, hence the question ...
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
I knew about it before, from his book. We need someone like him to develop some teachable technique for Monochrome sensors.
I'd do that if someone provided me with a monochrome camera.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Yes, Arbus referred to herself using the European pronunciation. There are several recordings of her saying her name and she always clearly says Dee-ann.
I just find out she was another child of parents who have escaped from the dark side. Not surprising, I have connection with her view.
So, we could spell it as we want. But to me it is Дина Арбуз. Where Arbus stands for watermelon.
Freakscene
Obscure member
Yes, absolutely, although she was Диана Немерова (Diane Nemerov/a). The Arbus was from Allan Arbus, her husband, whose father Harry Arbus, was a stockbroker and was born in New York. Harry’s father, Isaac Arbus, was born in Poland in 1859, at which time the part of Poland he lived in was in the Russian empire. So the Arbus family also emigrated from ‘Russia’ to the United States. Being Polish it is doubtful Isaac Arbus would have used cyrillic, but Arbuz in Polish is still ‘watermelon’.I just find out she was another child of parents who have escaped from the dark side. Not surprising, I have connection with her view.
So, we could spell it as we want. But to me it is Дина Арбуз. Where Arbus stands for watermelon.

Diane and Allan Arbus, Dec. 8, 1950
Diane and Allan Arbus, Dec. 8, 1950 Photo Frances McLaughlin-Gil Condé Nast Archive

I studied Arbus quite intensively in the 1990s.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Yes, absolutely, although she was Диана Немерова (Diane Nemerov/a). The Arbus was from Allan Arbus, her husband, whose father Harry Arbus, was a stockbroker and was born in New York. Harry’s father, Isaac Arbus, was born in Poland in 1859, at which time the part of Poland he lived in was in the Russian empire. So the Arbus family also emigrated from ‘Russia’ to the United States. Being Polish it is doubtful Isaac Arbus would have used cyrillic, but Arbuz in Polish is still ‘watermelon’.
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Diane and Allan Arbus, Dec. 8, 1950
Diane and Allan Arbus, Dec. 8, 1950 Photo Frances McLaughlin-Gil Condé Nast Archivepleasurephoto.wordpress.com
I studied Arbus quite intensively in the 1990s.
It is easy, we don't pronounce it as Arbuz (Арбуз), but Arbus (Арбус). And this is how they hear and put it in immigration documents at Ellis Island.
My mother in law roots are half Polish. Some of relatives went to Russia, some to England. Her grandfather brother (Polish last name) went to USA and back.
Evergreen States
Francine Pierre Saget (they/them)
I'm currently reading Patricia Bosworth's biography of Arbus and can corroborate Freakscene's claim that this is the correct pronunciation of Diane.DEE-an Arbus. Is that the correct pronunciation I wonder?
Evergreen States
Francine Pierre Saget (they/them)
If anyone wants to read the full interview with Adams, David Sheff reproduced it on their website here (SFW).
To that end, Playboy did interviews with notable artists and political figures (Nabokov, MLK, Miles Davis, Steve Jobs, Ed Koch) as well as published short stories by literary giants of the day (Asimov, Le Guin, Philip K. Dick, Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, a few examples of sci-fi alone).
Hefner really pioneered what later came to be known as lifestyle marketing. Had Playboy just been pornography and nothing else, it would not have had the cultural impact that it did.
I know that "reading it for the articles" is a tongue-in-cheek meme, but Hugh Hefner's ambition with Playboy had always been cultural from the start. A man being cultured, literate, well-traveled and well-dressed was part of the same lifestyle ambition as being surrounded by beautiful, sexually-available women. Remember that Playboy's golden era was the same one as Sean Connery's James Bond, which sold more or less the same fantasy.Does he say he "read it for the articles?"
To that end, Playboy did interviews with notable artists and political figures (Nabokov, MLK, Miles Davis, Steve Jobs, Ed Koch) as well as published short stories by literary giants of the day (Asimov, Le Guin, Philip K. Dick, Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, a few examples of sci-fi alone).
Hefner really pioneered what later came to be known as lifestyle marketing. Had Playboy just been pornography and nothing else, it would not have had the cultural impact that it did.
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Retro-Grouch
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That "golden era" for Playboy was also an era of intense feminist activism, of which Adams and the literary giants mentioned by Judge Holden were doubtless aware. I would have had far more respect for the cultural notables who refused to engage with Playboy, and called it out for the sexist and misogynist institution it was.If anyone wants to read the full interview with Adams, David Sheff reproduced it on their website here (SFW).
I know that "reading it for the articles" is a tongue-in-cheek meme, but Hugh Hefner's ambition with Playboy had always been cultural from the start. A man being cultured, literate, well-traveled and well-dressed was part of the same lifestyle ambition as being surrounded by beautiful, sexually-available women. Remember that Playboy's golden era was the same one as Sean Connery's James Bond, which sold more or less the same fantasy.
To that end, Playboy did interviews with notable artists and political figures (Nabokov, MLK, Miles Davis, Steve Jobs, Ed Koch) as well as published short stories by literary giants of the day (Asimov, Le Guin, Philip K. Dick, Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, a few examples of sci-fi alone).
hap
Well-known
It would have been interesting had he photographed a model or two
Evergreen States
Francine Pierre Saget (they/them)
Indeed. After Hefner's passing and when #metoo was in full swing, I remember reading an article on the misogyny of Playboy. There was a feminist journalist interviewed in the piece (I unfortunately forget both her name and where this article appeared, otherwise I'd link it), who had been commissioned to write an article surveying the feminist movement at the time, and she recounted how the editors spiked not only a lot of the more radical content, but a lot of the content that discussed positive feminist possibilities for men's involvement in feminism. Instead, what was focused on was a portrayal of feminists as ugly, loathsome man-haters. This is obviously one small example of Playboy's history of sexism, but your comment about the contemporary feminist movement brought it to mind.That "golden era" for Playboy was also an era of intense feminist activism, of which Adams and the literary giants mentioned by Judge Holden were doubtless aware. I would have had far more respect for the cultural notables who refused to engage with Playboy, and called it out for the sexist and misogynist institution it was.
Certainly, I did not intend to gloss over the sexism of Playboy in my comment, but in my attempt to defend one of the merits of the magazine, I understand how it could be taken as uncritical praise or admiration, a belief I do not hold, nor wish to convey. Thank you for not letting that slide in the discussion.
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