totifoto
Well-known
....using simple film cameras.....
jonasv
has no mustache
Funny, though I don't think it's down to digital vs film, but rather the type of camera.
Here's the display on my film Nikon F70, hardly better!
Here's the display on my film Nikon F70, hardly better!
totifoto
Well-known
good point, there surely are complicated film cameras out there as well. 
Murchu
Well-known
....using simple film cameras.....
Ha ha, I agree. Manual film cameras are one of the few options if you want a simple camera, and back to basics shooting experience. Wish I could find such a digital camera that was affordable for me. Also, would add, the option to turn off all the bells and whistles is not a real solution to me, and not the same as using a camera that doesn't have any all those bells to begin with. Give me a digital camera in a body the size of a film rangefinder/ slr, controls for aperture, shutter speed, iso and white balance that is attainable to me, and I would be as happy as a pig in muck
kanzlr
Hexaneur
R-D1? M8 maybe even?
Moriturii
Well-known
A perfect case of "If you don't need the feature, don't use it". There isn't anything negative about these features being in modern cameras, it's just you who is whiny to be honest mate. You can use a D4 just like a Leica.
al1966
Feed Your Head
Funny, though I don't think it's down to digital vs film, but rather the type of camera.
Here's the display on my film Nikon F70, hardly better!
I have one of these cameras its a pita to change modes etc but it does meter with ai lenses and AF with afs lenses. I use the viewfinder info and thats simple enough to use. The LCD is a right dogs dinner though, what were they thinking :bang::bang::bang:
ray*j*gun
Veteran
When u try to replace intelligence and experience with technology this is what happens.
gavinlg
Veteran
Thats one of the big reasons why I like my x100.
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
The R-D1 is much more intuitive.
BikoBikoBiko
Member
Get with the times granddad ;-)
No, seriously though. I'm glad you know what you like to use and that you do (I presume) use that to get the experience you enjoy. I, on the other hand, am quite happy using a 1950's Rollei and a Canon 7d - sometimes concurrently on the same shoot. I guess we're all different but (often) equally valid.
No, seriously though. I'm glad you know what you like to use and that you do (I presume) use that to get the experience you enjoy. I, on the other hand, am quite happy using a 1950's Rollei and a Canon 7d - sometimes concurrently on the same shoot. I guess we're all different but (often) equally valid.
....using simple film cameras.....
kshapero
South Florida Man
Like this (ha ha)good point, there surely are complicated film cameras out there as well.
Just remember, to someone who's never used one, an all mechanical camera is very complicated.
Paulbe
Well-known
The first photo is allegedly the top of the new Nikon D600, according to Nikon Rumors.
Guess we'll have to wait and see...
Guess we'll have to wait and see...
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Most of the people I showed the R-D1 to, in the brief time I owned it, couldn't make hide nor hair out of the information display. The only thing that makes it more "intuitive" is that you, the user, are familiar with analog displays of this kind. Where most people these days are more familiar with digital displays. (Many people today have never used a phone on which you physically had to 'dial' a number, eh?)
I like well-designed, easily understood controls and indicators. I don't care whether they are digital or analog ... I care whether they work. For example, my Olympus E-1 is superb: one of the finest camera designs ever made. The ergonomics are just brilliant, the readouts are extremely easy to understand, the right mix of buttons, knobs, dials, etc are in all the right places. It has just the right number of 'use it all the time' and 'here are the bits for the niche needs' features.
kshapero
South Florida Man
True but if they don't learn the basics then they are destined to use the Auto mode on their DSLR which makes it a real big P & S.
anjoca76
Well-known
Very true indeed! Now that I'm used to them they don't feel that way at all--I prefer them. But my first experiences with all manual, meterless cameras involved a very steep learning curve!
Murchu
Well-known
Modern sensor, or lack thereof.
Murchu
Well-known
I can turn off all the bells and whistles on my D300, yet it is still a completely different shooting experience to that of my M3. Just because one doesn't understand the difference to people, does not mean it does not exist.
Pre-digital, different camera types existed for a reason, one of the key ones being they offered a different shooting experience, and that is just looking at the 35mm segment and ignoring different film formats. I didn't see anyone arguing back then that the advent of the automated everything slr invalidated the need for 35mm rangefinders or manual 35mm slrs, so why should it suddenly be the case now.
kanzlr
Hexaneur
I'd say the M8 sensor trumps most films I use...