traveling with film

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What do you do to protect your film while traveling from country to country?

I'm going between the US, England and France for a couple weeks, and plan on bringing some Neopan 400, some HP5, some velvia, and some NPZ800. What have you done to keep your film out of the x-ray machines?

Should I just put it in my pocket and hope they don't pat me down? I know they'll scan it just to be mean. They've done it before.

any useful input will be priceless.

Thanks.
 
We do have that film in EU too you know!

Seriously, the official line is that the scanner will not harm your film. Even so some people buy local and process local just to be 1000% sure.
 
Just stick it in your carry on baggage.

Scanners have been used for decades in Europe, and few if any people have ever reported problems. In spite of what some claim, the security staff cannot "turn up" the power on the hand-baggage scanners. I've travelled back and forth between Europe and NZ via Asia, quite a bit around Europe, and never had any problems.

It can be a good idea to get film developed as you go, even if it costs a bit more. This way, you can be sure your equipment is working properly!

The only warning is not to put film in your checked in baggage.
 
Just carry it in you carry on, and ask them to inspect by hand.
If they ask any questions, or refuse to hand-check, insist that it is professional film, that you are a professional photographer, and that you insist that they hand check.

Be polite and friendly, even if they are not. They will always back down and hand check, unless their wife left them that morning.

Its true that the x-ray machines don't usually hurt film, but I have had fogging on my film before, and slow film at that. My policy is to never get my film scanned anymore, and I haven't had any problems, usually people are more than willing to help.

have a good trip!
 
OK, the scanners are not harmful to film, but I had heard that faster films like the 800 might be slightly fogged. Probably just paranoid photographers like myself.

Nonetheless, I will simply carry the film in my carry-on baggage and ask for hand checks, just for peace of mind. I wouldn't even care except for the 800.

I was considering just shooting PanF so that I could simply not even think about x-ray machines, but the RF645 begs for faster film.

Of course check baggage is out of hte question. I suppose that carrying the really vital rolls on my person might be reasonable, and the rest will be at the mercy of the security staff.

You have pretty much covered it, answered my questions, thanks.

Thanks BMattock. That is very useful.
 
shutterflower,
I wouldn't advise carrying a bunch of film on your person...some vigilante (or flunky from cop school) might get overzealous and think you're a terrorist with a bunch of plastic explosives. Not to mention how uncomfortable that is...

What I have done in the past is to carry all my film in a plastic bag in my carryon. Then, when I get to the security, I simply remove the bag, shove the carryon into the machine, and talk to the guards personally, and have them inspect my film.

And it also occurs to me that if you have the film on your person, you'll beep every time you walk through one of those human scanner things. Invariably, you'll forget one roll in the bottom of a pocket, and then they'll hold you up while they wand every single inch of you.


Jon, of course we Americans know that you have film in Europe. One of the big problems however is that film and processing seem to be SO much more expensive in Europe.
I lived in Vienna for a while, and from time to time I came back to the US. Every time I did so, I brought a few bulk rolls of film back with me, because even the best pro shops charged 2x what I could get bulk rolls for, and individual rolls were usually at minimum 40% more, partially because of tax. In Oregon, we have no sales tax at all, and in California where I guess Shutterflower lives, the tax is something like 10%.
Things may have changed somewhat, but any American who has once had to buy film in Europe usually brings what he'll need the second time he goes.
 
Keep the cameras empty of film and with fresh batteries.

Airport security may well want to open the camera and turn it on to check that it's a proper working camera, not a hollowed-out camera bomb.

Same goes for your notebook computer, iPod and so on.

Within EU security checks between countries varies between zero and tough.
 
SF, everyone above said what I wanted to tell you. Basically, it all boils down to this:

a) carry the film in your carry-on luggage.

b) you can have it scanned by the machine or ask for a hand inspection. While slow film may not be affected, if you're traveling with anything faster than ISO 400, ask for a hand inspection.

c) just don't carry film in your pockets. And if you decide to do so, place it in the trays before going through the metal detector. You should have seen the scandal they made for a small luggage key I forgot I had in my pocket one day.

d) have your cameras empty, in case they ask you to open them to make sure they're real cameras, not dummies.

e) be nice to the inspectors. If you act confrontationally, they'll respond in kind, and twice as hard.

Have a nice trip! 🙂 And if you want to photograph airport scenes... just be discrete. Paranoids abound these days.
 
i had delta3200 scanned twice (in Schiphol/Amsterdam) because it was loaded in the camera. No effect on the film.
Still i try to ask them not to scan it.
If you have only iso800 film, you have a fair chance they will thell you the official story that "up to 1600 it's safe sir". When i've shown them the delta3200 within the rest, they did not insist anymore. So, if you want to avoid, buy 1-2 rolls of that film and carry it around.
 
I would like to make one correction to a common misperception. Xrays damage undeveloped film. That's a fact. I don't care what the exposure is, all radiation capable of interacting with film emulsions damage it.

The question is simply how much do they damage it?

The tests that the FAA have done seem to support the notion that five or fewer passes through a standard carry-on xray machine of films with ISO speeds of less than 800 do not cause the type of damage that can be seen - my own experience as a former road warrior would tend to support that as well. The TSA recommends on their own website that if you have film of greater than ISO 800, you should request a hand-scan. If your film has already been exposed to xrays via airport security at least four previous times, request a hand-scan. You can also request a hand-scan 'just because' if you like.

For those who do not fly much in the USA, I can assure you that the TSA has a lot of leeway in how they enforce their own rules, and it varies widely from airport to airport, inspector to inspector. Some will honor your request to hand-scan and some will not. As someone else noted, a bad attitude displayed to the TSA will pretty much guarantee that you will not get your request granted.

This is my experience, and for seven years, I flew on domestic commercial airline flights at least twice a week, every week. That's thousands of flights logged, and millions of air miles. I respect everyone's opinion, but I think my experience trumps about everyone else's except maybe a fellow road warrior. I did stop flying about a year and a half ago, so I will accept that some things may have changed.

I would not advise carrying film on your person through the metal detectors. Their sensitivity varies, but most of them can and often do alert on the smallest of metal items in your pockets, and 35mm film cannisters are definitely in that range. Some are cranked up so high, I swear they detect the iron in your blood and the fillings in your teeth.

I would not advise using lead-lined bags for film. In checked luggage, they are worthless, as the high-energy (not xray) scanners used will 'see' right through the lead bag anyway, and your film will be destroyed. In carry-on luggage, the TSA recommends against it, because when they see a dark mass that they cannot 'see' through in their standard xray screening, they stop and remove it anyway. This takes time, slows up the process, and ensures that the TSA folks are not kindly disposed towards you, especially since the TSA website advises people NOT to use the lead-lined bags. They do say that the bags can be useful overseas, so if you have them or absolutely MUST buy them, I'd take them with me in my checked luggage and use them AFTER I got overseas. But frankly, in these days, hiding things from xray scanners is a really good way to get TSA inspectors interested in your body cavities, know what I mean?

The way I used to carry film was this - others have said the same thing in this thread - I used to take my 120 and 35mm film out of the cannisters and put them in a clear plastic baggie. Like Pherdinand, I also kept a 'sacrifice' roll of ISO 3200 film in the bag as well. So if asked "Do you have high-speed film?" I could always truthfully answer yes. Some TSA inspectors will refuse to hand-inspect unless you say you have high-speed film. I always asked very politely if they would hand-inspect my film. Always, that is, after I learned my lesson about insisting on my rights with those goons and how far that gets you these days. I walked funny for a week.

The 'polite' method did not always work - but it was the closest thing I had to something that more or less worked, and so I advise it.

If *I* have learned to button my lip in front of the TSA, you might reasonably suspect that stating that you are a professional photographer and insisting that your film be treated with respect is not really the best way to go about it.

All I have to offer is my experience dealing with the TSA - feel free to accept or reject it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Pherdinand said:
"the high-energy (not xray) scanners used will 'see' right through the lead bag anyway, and your film will be destroyed"
hmm
what do you mean by that?
are they using gamma rays? or is it tomography?

The checked bags are put through a combination of high-energy xray and computerized tomography (CT) scanner. The xray may or may not be able to penetrate a lead-lined fim bag, but chances are high that it will. The CT scanner doesn't have any problem 'seeing' through lead, and utterly destroys any undeveloped film that passes through it.

Lead-lined bags are no longer of any use whatsoever in the USA, and I don't know why camera stores still sell them - if you just look at the TSA or FAA website, the facts are quite clear.

Carrying a lead-lined bag into airport security these days is just going to tick them off, I'm afraid.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I don't know what type of examination machine Bill is talking about but I do recall that Sir Richard Attenborough had his film ruined when it was in checked baggage. A lot of time and energy of a BBC documentry crew was wasted. I believe the airport was Manchester. I am sure that the same machines are installed worldwide to scan checked luggage. Bill is absolutely correct in saying never put your film in checked baggage. I believe that this film had already been exposed and was on it's return to the UK.

Bob
 
From the TSA's website:

Packing Tips

Do not put film in your checked baggage. Some of the new checked baggage screening equipment will damage undeveloped film.

From Kodak's website:

Airport Baggage Scanning Equipment Can Jeopardize Your Unprocessed Film
Because your pictures are important to you, this information is presented as an alert to travelers carrying unprocessed film. New FAA-certified (Federal Aviation Administration) explosive detection systems are being used in U.S. airports to scan (x-ray) checked baggage. This stronger scanning equipment is also being used in many non-US airports. The new equipment will fog any unprocessed film that passes through the scanner.

The recommendations in this document are valid for all film formats (135, Advanced Photo System [APS], 120/220, sheet films, 400 ft. rolls, ECN in cans, etc.).

...

Suggestions for Avoiding Fogged Film
X-ray equipment used to inspect carry-on baggage uses a very low level of x-radiation that will not cause noticeable damage to most films. However, baggage that is checked (loaded on the planes as cargo) often goes through equipment with higher energy X rays. Therefore, take these precautions when traveling with unprocessed film:

...

Lead-lined bags, available from photo retailers, will weaken the X-radiation on film and reduce potential harm. However, the effectiveness of any particular lead bag depends on the intensity and electric potential of the X-ray generator, the lead's thickness, and the film speed. If you use a lead bag, check with the manufacturer for the effectiveness of their products with airport X-ray devices. The inspection process may be triggered by a lead bag on the scanner screen. In a typical airport surveillance situation, the baggage may be pulled aside for additional inspection.

The problem is, not every bag is scanned - so not every single roll of film ever sent through checked baggage is damaged. And people who have had their film come through without damage now spread that bad advice - since it didn't happen to them, they figure it can't happen at all.

I don't want to tell anyone what to do. If you want to check your film with your luggage, go for it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
My understanding, and this is what I've always done, is that anything below 1600 ASA should be "ok" going through the carry-on X-Ray machines.

Mind you, i don't know if the systems are different b/w the U.S. and Europe since I haven't travelled to "the continent" since 2000. All my travels with film have been to NYC and in Canuckland so I'm not sure if that's of any help.

Cheers
Dave
 
dcsang said:
My understanding, and this is what I've always done, is that anything below 1600 ASA should be "ok" going through the carry-on X-Ray machines.

Mind you, i don't know if the systems are different b/w the U.S. and Europe since I haven't travelled to "the continent" since 2000. All my travels with film have been to NYC and in Canuckland so I'm not sure if that's of any help.

Cheers
Dave

Xray damage is cumulative. A little here, a little there, and eventually it will fog your film to the point that can be seen. That's why the TSA says "5 passes" through their equipment for ISO 800 and under before damage occurs.

Just like light exposure. A double exposure of 1/125 and 1/125 is the same as a 1/60 exposure - the light doesn't 'go away', it builds up, and so does the effect xrays have on film.

I am also not sure what the xray scans are like elsewhere in the world. I have heard that in Europe they use higher energy scanners, but that's just what I've heard, I have no facts to offer.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
If you want to risk your film as little as possible and from what has been said here, you should:

1) Not put any film, exposed or unexposed in checked baggage

2) Put your film with some sacrificial 1600/3200 film included, sans containers, in a clear plastic bag and ask politely for a hand inspection.

3) Hope it works and it usually does.

Bob
 
Last Xmas, I took a bunch of Portra NC 400 and Fuji 1600 to Britain. Film was carried on and scanned in Denver, Heathrow, Edinburgh and Heathrow again. No problems with any of the negatives.
Scotty
 
Requesting a hand inspection is the best way to go. I've done some travelling this year and always take my gear in a carry-on backpack. It's been scanned with Neopan 400 and 1600 with no ill effects to either film, however, if you're going through multiple check points and expect to be x-rayed multiple times ask for hand inspections.
I believe TSA says more than 5 scans will damage your film.
 
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