Tribute to 9/11
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Addy101
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To me it just is a commercial......
Linkert
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Thousands of people died in a horrible death for absolutely no reason at all, and Budweiser finds a way to use and monetize on that awful tragedy.
Great, really, the families must love you Budweiseass..
edit: must be some sort of cultural difference which makes me feel this way about it?
Great, really, the families must love you Budweiseass..
edit: must be some sort of cultural difference which makes me feel this way about it?
Roger Hicks
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Well, I watched it, and I thought it was self-indulgent nonsense.
Terrorism is a fact of life. The risks are very small indeed: much less than an automobile accident, and probably less than being struck by lightning.
Terrorism is best treated as a simple criminal act. To dignify crackpot murderers with the title "warriors" (which you have to do in order to justify a "war" against them) suggests either simple-mindedness or a need to sustain pointless, meaningless "wars" for one of two reasons: either to sustain the military-industrial complex or to justify an extraordinary degree of repression of those ordinary citizens whom the government (any government, anywhere) is "saving" from terrorism.
Long before the September 11th attack in the USA -- in the 1970s, in fact -- I used to drink in one of the pubs in Birmingham that was bombed by the IRA. I could have been among the dead. What it taught me was that (a) I'd have needed to be staggering unlucky and (b) those who fund terrorism are as much to blame as the killers. Quite a lot of IRA funding came from sympathizers in the USA...
Cheers,
R.
Terrorism is a fact of life. The risks are very small indeed: much less than an automobile accident, and probably less than being struck by lightning.
Terrorism is best treated as a simple criminal act. To dignify crackpot murderers with the title "warriors" (which you have to do in order to justify a "war" against them) suggests either simple-mindedness or a need to sustain pointless, meaningless "wars" for one of two reasons: either to sustain the military-industrial complex or to justify an extraordinary degree of repression of those ordinary citizens whom the government (any government, anywhere) is "saving" from terrorism.
Long before the September 11th attack in the USA -- in the 1970s, in fact -- I used to drink in one of the pubs in Birmingham that was bombed by the IRA. I could have been among the dead. What it taught me was that (a) I'd have needed to be staggering unlucky and (b) those who fund terrorism are as much to blame as the killers. Quite a lot of IRA funding came from sympathizers in the USA...
Cheers,
R.
Boris Stupak
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I was standing at the base of the WTC on 9/11 (foolishly taking photos) when one started to collapse. In truth, I never imagined they would collapse. I ran for my life.
So the odds for me were much greater than "very small indeed". I have also been in three automobile accidents and one assassination.
What that has to do with the price of tea in China, I don't know, but I disliked that maudlin Budweiser commercial.
I might add that I live downtown near the WTC and the very week afterwards, there were hoards of people there selling "Ground Zero" t-shirts, hats, magazines and the like. I find the constant parade of memorials, ceremonies and suchlike to be disgusting.
It is 12 years later and they finally got an inferior, ugly replacement building up. Half of Europe and Japan was destroyed in WWII and most of it was rebuilt in far less time.
So the odds for me were much greater than "very small indeed". I have also been in three automobile accidents and one assassination.
What that has to do with the price of tea in China, I don't know, but I disliked that maudlin Budweiser commercial.
I might add that I live downtown near the WTC and the very week afterwards, there were hoards of people there selling "Ground Zero" t-shirts, hats, magazines and the like. I find the constant parade of memorials, ceremonies and suchlike to be disgusting.
It is 12 years later and they finally got an inferior, ugly replacement building up. Half of Europe and Japan was destroyed in WWII and most of it was rebuilt in far less time.
Bill Clark
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Sure have a bunch of positive folks here on this forum.
No wonder why some are leaving.
For good.
No wonder why some are leaving.
For good.
Boris Stupak
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I mourn the loss of the WTC as much as any other Native New Yorker. Maybe more. I lived in their shadow for decades. I was right there on 9/11, I didn't watch it on television. I had to evacuate my home. I heard the explosions and it shook my building. Bodies fell where I was standing.
I'm sorry, but I don't like the packaging and selling of Hallmark Card sentiments to echo a horrendous event.
We should spend less time hand-wringing and having "memorial ceremonies" and more time preventing this event from allowing the USA to be reduced to a police state by opportunistic elements.
I'm sorry, but I don't like the packaging and selling of Hallmark Card sentiments to echo a horrendous event.
We should spend less time hand-wringing and having "memorial ceremonies" and more time preventing this event from allowing the USA to be reduced to a police state by opportunistic elements.
Pablito
coco frío
I also lived in the shadow of the towers for many years, and feel the impact of what happened.
Yet I also remember the other September 11, in which a democratically elected president was toppled with the help of a hugely powerful nation that purports to stand for freedom and democracy, leading to years of despotic rule; torture, murders, kidnappings, disappearances. That other September 11th ultimately took many more victims, many of them young.
Yet I also remember the other September 11, in which a democratically elected president was toppled with the help of a hugely powerful nation that purports to stand for freedom and democracy, leading to years of despotic rule; torture, murders, kidnappings, disappearances. That other September 11th ultimately took many more victims, many of them young.
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zeezea
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I agree with you 100%. This makes realize why I come RFF less and
less. It's beginning to make me think it's not worth the effort to log on.
Regards,
Al
daveleo
what?
You know this is an international forum. You must expect a wide range of viewpoints on any topic.
There's 7B people out there.
There's 7B people out there.
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zeezea
Guest
One year ago today, you posted essentially the same comment in another
thread remembering 9/11. It has nothing to do with a "hugely powerful
nation that purports to stand for freedom and democracy". It has to do with the thousands that were murdered both in the air and on the ground. Or can't you see that through your rage?
Regards,
Al
edge100
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zeezea
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Yes, I know exactly what Pablito is referring to. I`m old enough
to remember it without needing Wiki. That was an injustice and a tragedy
for those innocent people. Not everyone agrees with the policies carried
out by their government. I`m thinking that Pablito has suffered personally
from that tragedy - as I have personally suffered from the events of 2001.
And I also know rage. But that does not give either of us an excuse to minimize the anguish of others.
Just as the OP did, any member here can open a thread in remembrance. Why not do just that?
Regards,
Al
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colyn
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I thought it was a fitting tribute..
Something like this act of terror should never be forgotten..
Something like this act of terror should never be forgotten..
colyn
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troym
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Could someone put this thread out of its misery soon? It won't get any better.
Contarama
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noisycheese
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Amen to that.
Pablito
coco frío
Both comments actually were in remembrance of 9/11.
But to focus on photography, I recommend two related photo books:
Chile from Within, edited by Magnum photographer Susan Meiselas, which examines the fallout of the Chilean 9/11 - WW Norton 1991
and
New York September 11, by Magnum Photographers, PowerHouse books, 2001, which looks at the 9/11 tragedy of New York City
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
I started frequenting this forum after the forum I used to frequent, the "Brand X - camera - forum" became an open sewer of negativity, ugliness, spite and arrogance. I am beginning to smell that same fetid odor here; at first it was an occasional whiff, but now it is becoming a lingering stench.
It's a damn shame that people cannot be civil on what is supposed to be a photography forum.
Only cowards and chimpanzees in a zoo resort to flinging feces when they can do so while hiding behind the safety of their bars - or keyboards, whichever the case may be. 😎
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