Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I have to cut on film and DR use. Takes too much time, which I don't have anymore.
But I like to use Leica M cameras.
1. M10 fascinates me by high ISO capabilities. For street and home. I have no issues with J-3 and J-12 as the only lenses on digital. Booth are OK on film.
2. To keep M-E title with me and get new and more robust camera.
3. I have to cut on film. Will keep only small enlarger to print once a month. I also have not expensive C-41 developing available for now.
Summarit-M is bw film lens, but I have to cut my use of film and DR.
4. Monochrome is direct alternative for bw film for me. I will inkjet more instead of DR.
5. Something else? I have Olympus E-PL1 with f8 pancake and OVF. No AF, no MF.
Great for daylight and with flash indoors. I just can't use EVF, screen.
But I like to use Leica M cameras.
1. M10 fascinates me by high ISO capabilities. For street and home. I have no issues with J-3 and J-12 as the only lenses on digital. Booth are OK on film.
2. To keep M-E title with me and get new and more robust camera.
3. I have to cut on film. Will keep only small enlarger to print once a month. I also have not expensive C-41 developing available for now.
Summarit-M is bw film lens, but I have to cut my use of film and DR.
4. Monochrome is direct alternative for bw film for me. I will inkjet more instead of DR.
5. Something else? I have Olympus E-PL1 with f8 pancake and OVF. No AF, no MF.
Great for daylight and with flash indoors. I just can't use EVF, screen.
M240 used... best deal in Leica.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
What's wrong with using the Leica you already have? I don't think you need anything new. That's not photography; that's just spending money.
Huss
Veteran
Yes
And most definitely yes.
You're getting one more stop in ISO with the M10 vs M240. Don't kid yourself.
M240 is the best used digi buy there is.
But you already have a digi Leica, and a film Leica. And have been doing fine with both so why need to change a thing? Just shift the shooting ratio over to the digi side.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Thank you all!
M240 used is best deal, but I'm not sure why I will need two identical digital M.
I had M8 and M-E and sold M8. I liked it just as M-E, but I just don't like to have two of the same.
I feel more comfortable to sell more, including M-E 220, pay more and get new, with warranty M-E 240.
M-E has none of it. Tested and verified by weekly switching between M-E 220 and M4-2.
M9M has at least more useful higher ISO and it is real alternative to bw film.
Monochrome 246 is even more high ISO, bigger battery and weather sealing.
M10 has most higher ISO, this will give no limit for my street and indoor photography.
M-E barely cuts it once Sun is under horizon. I need f1.4 at least. Yet, the way I photograph needs f2.8 at least. And M8/9/M9M battery is short under cold weather. Changing battery in the dark, under falling snow and with freezing fingers is not my forte.
BTW, I'm not sure if here is just one stop difference between M240 and M10.
I have seen totally usable, clean shots @25000 from M10.
One stop from 6400 (M240 max ISO) is 12800.
M240 used is best deal, but I'm not sure why I will need two identical digital M.
I had M8 and M-E and sold M8. I liked it just as M-E, but I just don't like to have two of the same.
I feel more comfortable to sell more, including M-E 220, pay more and get new, with warranty M-E 240.
I like to use digital M just as film M. Well, with cutting on film I have to. Unfortunately with digital M it translates to good battery, higher ISO and weather sealing.
M-E has none of it. Tested and verified by weekly switching between M-E 220 and M4-2.
M9M has at least more useful higher ISO and it is real alternative to bw film.
Monochrome 246 is even more high ISO, bigger battery and weather sealing.
M10 has most higher ISO, this will give no limit for my street and indoor photography.
M-E barely cuts it once Sun is under horizon. I need f1.4 at least. Yet, the way I photograph needs f2.8 at least. And M8/9/M9M battery is short under cold weather. Changing battery in the dark, under falling snow and with freezing fingers is not my forte.
Used M240 is best deal to update from used M-E 220 and I could update from S26 to S240 to get more consistent results for indoors.
BTW, I'm not sure if here is just one stop difference between M240 and M10.
I have seen totally usable, clean shots @25000 from M10.
One stop from 6400 (M240 max ISO) is 12800.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
How did we ever get along with film?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Then I started with film in 2012 I had easy to commute job.
Fifteen minutes, no hwy commute.
Now I have two hours one way commute and lack of sleep. Can't do film, DR as before. Here is no DR on the Go train.
Guth
Appreciative User
Huss
Veteran
This is starting to sound like a Raid thread.
You never ISO issues with your film camera. Why would you with the digital?
You never ISO issues with your film camera. Why would you with the digital?
shawn
Veteran
Up to about 1600 it has about a half stop advantage in DR and a little over a stop above that. Max ISO is a couple of stops higher but with low DR.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M (Typ 240),Leica M10
Being clean at 25000 is about your noise reduction processing choices. DXO PhotoLab 3s Prime NR is amazing in what it can do.
Shawn
We had no choice...and now you choose to have that limitation if you use film. There is nothing wrong with either.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
This is starting to sound like a Raid thread.
You never ISO issues with your film camera. Why would you with the digital?
Where did I make the statement like this?
Here is my first and full statement for it, now:
For me film ISO and digital ISO are not the same. I could get usable shot on ISO400 with bw film, but to get the same I need higher ISO on digital camera.
Don't know why. Perhaps, because, digital ISO estimate is less accurate under low light. Even during the day, I could use ISO 400 film and 1/250 or 1/500. And S16. It just doesn't work this way with digital. I have to be on at 3200 and even 6400. During day use!
But I do push film for few years now. Started in 2016. 400 to 3200 and this year 3200 to 6400.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I'm confused... you have the CCD M-E right? or do you already have a M240 (with CMOS)?
shawn
Veteran
Where did I make the statement like this?
Here is my first and full statement for it, now:
For me film ISO and digital ISO are not the same. I could get usable shot on ISO400 with bw film, but to get the same I need higher ISO on digital camera.
Don't know why. Perhaps, because, digital ISO estimate is less accurate under low light. Even during the day, I could use ISO 400 film and 1/250 or 1/500. And S16. It just doesn't work this way with digital. I have to be on at 3200 and even 6400. During day use!
Something is wrong is you need 3200 or 6400 during the day. I shoot base ISO most times during the day.
Shawn
maigo
Well-known
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
It was about switching from one film camera to another film camera. For reason to feel comfy in hotel meeting rooms.
This thread is about thoughts how to move towards from film back to digital.
If I'm about just to keep digital camera I have now, I need to use flash or f1.4 lens. I can't see how I could use f1.4 for my photography (walking streets) or the reason to flash people. I'm not even E.Kim.
One thing is to feel comfy about gear price tag another is to be comfy to flash people just for no reason rather than my own fun.
Perhaps I should I start kickstarter for M series batteries grip?
People are paying high prices just to have some bulk for extra crank on the bottom of film M.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Only M-E 220 for now. But here is M-E 240. More ISO, more battery charge and weather sealing.
Perhaps we don't all photograph in direct sunlight all off the time. Also, keeping your shutter speed high enough while in low light is a great thing in digital.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Exactly right! From November to March.
f6.7 1/500 ISO2500 and M-E just craps out...