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shaaktiman

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I've decided to buy a nice 50 for my R2. I have it down to either the summicron or the new zeiss planar.

Any thoughts or experiences to share before I blow my wad?

thanks,

adam
 
Both are nice.

If you are looking for newish/modern nice add in the Konica M Hexanon 50/2

Don't sell the Nokton short if you think a fast lens is in order.

I don't think you can make a bad choice out of this group.
 
If you can, test before you buy. You might find that one of the lenses just fits the way you want your pictures to look. Also, see how each lens feels on your camera - handling, size, ease of adjustment. When you find the lens that fits like a pair of comfortable shoes don't hesitate - buy it!

Otherwise, what rover said - it's pretty hard to make a bad choice between the lenses you are considering. Good luck.
 
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Without doubt I think the 50f1.5 Nockton is the bargain of the millenium. It'l do every thing at a quarter the price of other new lenses, and it's fast, sharp, and contrasty.

I've not tried the Zeiss personally, but the reviews i've seen fit in.

I suggest you get the Nocton first, and then an older lens, maybe summitar, summar, or serenar, to explore the charm of '30s, 40's or '50s photography. - '60s and later lenses will be closer to the Nocton but it stands out as an excellent performer at a small cost, and is very compatible and contemporary with your R2.

Regards JC.
 
If lens speed is not necessarily your thing also consider the Leica Elmar-M f2.8. Small and light with excellent sharpness and a warmish color rendition. The lens is a derivative of a Zeiss Tessar design and can be bought used for around $500. The shot below was taken at f4.

 
Adam, I own the Summicron & not the Planar, so I can only say that the Summicron is a superb lens. User reports seem to be universally very, very positive about the Planar. The only tests that I know of are by Erwin Puts (www.imx.nl/), who says that the Planar is optically at least the equal of the Summicron.

Other than optical performance, what other considerations might be part of your decision? There is Leica's reputation for superb build quality & the ease with which you can obtain parts & repairs on Leica equipment - even if Leica went out of business tomorrow. OTOH, price is a consideration. On the grey market (www.popflash.com or www.cameraquest.com), the Planar can be found for less than half the price of a new Summicron. I should note that I paid the same price ($600) for my Summicron used on ebay as the grey market price for Planars, but since Planars have now been on the market for 9 months, they have also started to pop up on the used market. A used Summicron from a dealer is more expensive than on ebay or on this forum & others like it.

What about the CV Nokton? I'll leave user reports to others, but there are some distinct differences. It is a larger lens (54.5 mm) than the other 2 (43.5 mm) which are almost identical in size. Its minimum focus distance (35 inches) is not as close as the other two (27 inches). It is faster, although Popular Photography found it to be not quite as fast as advertised (f/1.6 maximum aperture) & the Summicron to be slightly faster (f/1.9). Its measured focal length is also longer than advertised (53 mm). There would seem to be enough differences here to help make a decision.

My decision would be:

1. Summicron for professional use, for those to whom money is no object, & for those who are comfortable buying used. Build quality & repairs are both factors here.

2. Planar for typical enthusiast who wants to buy new, or for professionals on a budget, or for those who can't learn the Leica handshake. Quality control on these lenses is excellent even if build quality may not prove to be up to Leica standards over the long term. The latter is probably not an issue unless the lens is subjected to the rigors of professional use or the like.

3. Nokton as a budget alternative, or for those who really need the extra half stop, or for those who just prefer the ergonomics of a bigger lens.

My 2 cents . . .

Huck
 
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Thanks for the input.

Here's where I'm at right now. I've had the bessa for over a year, expanded into MF (mamiya 6) for the bump up in quality, but I really love my little bessa and use it often. It's small enough to always have on my person and using it is more fun than the 6. Up until now I've been primarily using the CV 35 2.5 classic (70%), the CV APO 90 (20%) and the CV 21 (10%). These lenses are great, esp. the 35 and 90. They enabled me to advance to a more sophisticated system without investing too much in a part time hobby.

Now my part time hobby is taking up a LOT of my time, I've learned a lot and feel like I'm ready for one REALLY nice lens. I feel like the nokton is big for me, and since I have a few cv lenses already I want one that's gonna be special. The elmar is cool, but I want something that can at least go to 2 this time.

I can't afford the 50 summicron new, so if I got one it would be a user. The Konica is an interesting choice, thanks! I'm looking into that now too. (great, more options; just what I need.)

So let me ask you this. What would you do? A used summicron, a used konica or a new planar? If I do go for the summicron, is there any version that stands out for you as better to buy as a user?

Thanks for the input and sorry for the long post. I realize that most of what I'm asking is just personal opinion, but it still helps me tremendously.

adam
 
The latest two versions of the 50mm Summicron are optically identical and are at least as "good" as any of their predecessors (depending on your definition of "good").
 
I got into this RF thing because I wanted a 50 Summicron. The reason was that specific for me. I hemmed and hawed, but I bought my lens.

Now, if you don't have the same incatuation with any one lens you are in a better position. Used Leica gear is generally in good condition. Remember, there are a lot of fondlers out there.

So, maybe I haven't helped because the ZM, Konica and Leitz are all great lenses and share high praise.

You are in the city right? Make a trip to Photo Village, I bet they have all three, at least the Planar and Summicron, and see which you like. (note, their prices for used Summicrons are twice that of a private sales)
 
Just figured I'd give a quick update to this ancient link.

I couldn't resist, I really wanted at least one leica lens. I caught this on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7553731426&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:IT&rd=1

Just got it today and am testing it out. I'll report back on the quality as compared to my current lenses, the CV 21, 35 & 90; all fine, sharp lenses so I'm interested to see if there'll be a noticable difference.

thanks for all your advice,

adam
 
sweet lens, Adam! I'm sure you would have liked the Planar, too.. but you definitely can't go wrong with the 'cron
 
Congrats, you won't regret it. I don't know if the same applies to the latest version, but I know that my version (tabbed 80's version) has been rated at f/1.9.

This lens is, if everything I've read is correct, actually a 52.2mm lens. You'll be wowed by this lens wide open; I always shoot it at f/2, only stop down when I'm overexposing, and even then, if I didn't have time to put my ND filter on it so I could use it wide open.

Fine lens; some complain that it's prone to flare; I've never seen mine have any issues with flare; it may be my UV filter? (B+W MRC)
 
The 50 'Cron is a great classic choice, congrats! The Planar would probably have been equally good optically but with a different look, yet otherwise it is a riskier choice due to the newness of this incarnation in the market. I'm so pleased with my 45 G Planar, I could see myself getting the 50 M Planar.
 
Thanks, I am pretty excited to finish this first roll. The only annoying thing is that it's so much bigger than my cv 35, my camera won't fit into my pocket any longer. Ah well, this is the price one pays...
 
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