_larky
Well-known
The reason I ask is because, frankly, I don't like working on my own pictures. Hunting Google for street inspiration, I find shots I like which are very simple, and I like them I think because of the B&W conversions. I'm rubbish at this, so I wonder, does anybody love doing this so much they'd want to work on other people's pictures?
If so, shout
If so, shout
back alley
IMAGES
after 30 years in a wet darkroom i now much prefer computer generated changes to my images but not enough to want to do others' work...very sorry!
i would however recommend that you 'keep it simple' when using photoshop...i crop, use levels and unsharp mask on my images...takes a few minutes per shot...
i would however recommend that you 'keep it simple' when using photoshop...i crop, use levels and unsharp mask on my images...takes a few minutes per shot...
Sparrow
Veteran
You should check out curves Joe, I'm with you on the rest ... oh, I don't sharpen all that much
back alley
IMAGES
You should check out curves Joe, I'm with you on the rest ... oh, I don't sharpen all that much
i've played with curves but it eludes me...i'm not all that clever really.
Sparrow
Veteran
It's not that bad, just think S shape or Z shape, put a node in the middle, drag to get the mid-tone density where you want it then pull the top or bottom of the line to sort out the contrast.
Colour, well, that gets a bit more difficult.
Colour, well, that gets a bit more difficult.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
i've played with curves but it eludes me...i'm not all that clever really.
Joe, check this out:
http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/technical/curves.php
A how-to that I wrote about Curves. It gives you a lot more power to control tonality than levels, which is a pretty crude control.
back alley
IMAGES
i'm a pretty crude guy...will give it a look!
Paddy C
Unused film collector
I've been using photoshop for about 14 years now. 
Once you learn your way around and find the means of doing things that appeal to you, it is not that difficult.
For example, when I started out I used Image > Mode > Greyscale to make black and white images from colour. That was until I figured out the channel mixer...works much better and isn't too complicated.
I can't recommend buying a good book enough. You will learn so much, so quickly. For the $50 or so dollars you spend, you will be repaid many times over.
It seems that black and white conversions are difficult for people because I do see a lot of bad ones. But with a book in hand, some tips, and a bit of practice you'll be flying along in no time.
Once you learn your way around and find the means of doing things that appeal to you, it is not that difficult.
For example, when I started out I used Image > Mode > Greyscale to make black and white images from colour. That was until I figured out the channel mixer...works much better and isn't too complicated.
I can't recommend buying a good book enough. You will learn so much, so quickly. For the $50 or so dollars you spend, you will be repaid many times over.
It seems that black and white conversions are difficult for people because I do see a lot of bad ones. But with a book in hand, some tips, and a bit of practice you'll be flying along in no time.
semordnilap
Well-known
Use Lightroom... it's easier, I think.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
I've used Photoshop professionally for 15+ years.
However, for my own work, I only use it for spotting out neg scans. For everything else I use Lightroom. I find it a far quicker and more intuitive for editing my images. Again I don't edit my images heavily, just B&W conversions, levels, exposure, crops etc.
However, for my own work, I only use it for spotting out neg scans. For everything else I use Lightroom. I find it a far quicker and more intuitive for editing my images. Again I don't edit my images heavily, just B&W conversions, levels, exposure, crops etc.
Contarama
Well-known
I've used the GIMP (freeware - gimp.org) for many years now. I only do very basic things like cropping etc. but it is a fairly powerful photo manipulation program...the best thing about it is it is free!
_larky
Well-known
OK, let me be a little more honest. I am also a professional Photoshop user, since version 3, and I've done more photo work than I care to remember. I lectured in it for 7 years whilst doing my PHD. So, I can use Photoshop fine.
My problem is I don't like working on my own images. That's the thing I have trouble with, I just can't be bothered. I find it odd that when it comes to doing conversions on my own stuff it always looks horrible, but doing other peoples is fine.
I've also found Lightroom presets on other peoples work look good, on mine I can't stand them. Maybe I have a brain disease or my photos are simply that rubbish
My problem is I don't like working on my own images. That's the thing I have trouble with, I just can't be bothered. I find it odd that when it comes to doing conversions on my own stuff it always looks horrible, but doing other peoples is fine.
I've also found Lightroom presets on other peoples work look good, on mine I can't stand them. Maybe I have a brain disease or my photos are simply that rubbish
barnwulf
Well-known
I prefer Photoshop to a wet darkroom but, I much prefer Lightroom for it's speed. I use Lightroom 95% of the time. Jim
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Nikon Bob
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i've played with curves but it eludes me...i'm not all that clever really.
You are not alone Joe and yea keeping it simple works best for me too.
Bob
semordnilap
Well-known
OK, let me be a little more honest. I am also a professional Photoshop user, since version 3, and I've done more photo work than I care to remember. I lectured in it for 7 years whilst doing my PHD. So, I can use Photoshop fine.
My problem is I don't like working on my own images. That's the thing I have trouble with, I just can't be bothered. I find it odd that when it comes to doing conversions on my own stuff it always looks horrible, but doing other peoples is fine.
I've also found Lightroom presets on other peoples work look good, on mine I can't stand them. Maybe I have a brain disease or my photos are simply that rubbish![]()
Have you tried leaving the pictures for a month or three, or longer, then coming back to them? Gives you a different perspective. I wonder if you could find someone who is in the same boat with you and just trade, and edit each others' images? Not me, I've barely enough time to edit my own, but maybe someone else.
PatrickT
New Rangefinder User
Does Lightroom have the ability to use curves? If so, I'll start using it more over Photoshop.
semordnilap
Well-known
Limited curves, but useful, plus lots of other intuitive controls.
I think you can try it for 30 days free.
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop_lightroom
I think you can try it for 30 days free.
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop_lightroom
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
ACDSee Pro is my prefered choice ... I find the interface really easy to understand though Lightroom seems to use less of my computer's rather limited recources to do the same tasks.
LeicaFoReVer
Addicted to Rangefinders
I use GIMP seldom to do basic corrections. I hate photoshop generated manipulated photography I see in the magazines...
peterm1
Veteran
I do love post processing. (I actually use Corel's Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 more than Photoshop as it is much cheaper than the full PS but with enough of its features to meet the needs of the most aggressive "photoshopping" photographer. It also has a number of wizards etc that make it much easier and more intuitive to use than PS. But its main processes are basically the same (levels, curves, selections, layers etc) Once you work out how these funcion they give great control over your images. Although I must admit I like the convenience of some plugins that speed up the process.
I do actually enjoy doing the work. Perhaps its the end result I enjoy most of all. I know that by "photoshopping" (in the same sense that the English "hoover" their carpet) I can produce much better images than I can ever get straight from my camera. Occasionally iits frustrating, but part of the enjoyment is in the mental challenge of working out what corrections are needed and to what extent, and then seeing the final image emerge before your eyes. (I have heard similar comments from those who work on film in a darkroom.) In short, for me its an important and enjoyable part of the creative process.
I do not believe I could ever be happy with photos that are not "photoshopped."
I do actually enjoy doing the work. Perhaps its the end result I enjoy most of all. I know that by "photoshopping" (in the same sense that the English "hoover" their carpet) I can produce much better images than I can ever get straight from my camera. Occasionally iits frustrating, but part of the enjoyment is in the mental challenge of working out what corrections are needed and to what extent, and then seeing the final image emerge before your eyes. (I have heard similar comments from those who work on film in a darkroom.) In short, for me its an important and enjoyable part of the creative process.
I do not believe I could ever be happy with photos that are not "photoshopped."
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