lubitel
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just read this article
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/11/pinochet.reut/index.html
and was wondering what are your thoughts on this? I am surprised to read that many have considered him a saviour from communism. in my opinion a dictatorship is a dictatorship.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/11/pinochet.reut/index.html
and was wondering what are your thoughts on this? I am surprised to read that many have considered him a saviour from communism. in my opinion a dictatorship is a dictatorship.
dreilly
Chillin' in Geneva
From the article: "Some Chileans say the general saved their country from communism while others regard him as a murderer who escaped justice and should have been tried for human rights abuses."
3000 dead, 28,000 tortured. The price was probably worth it to get rid of that socialist Allende and his bizarre idea to make sure mothers had enough milk for their babies.
That was sarcastic. The news coverage on this has been very "fair and balanced". NPR even quoted an expert saying that, in spite of the violence, Pinochet made some real contributions to Chile's economy. (And Mussolini made the trains run on time.)
They then went on to say that Allende's socialist economic policies were "disastrous". There was no analysis of this statement in light that the CIA (and this is proven in documentation) was working very hard, along with US trade unions, including the teamsters, to destabalize Chile's economy.
All that said, Pinochet is an interesting character. He was very loyal to the democratic government and trusted by Allende. What made him change is a subject of speculation, but once he did change, he was ruthless. He was powerful enough before this that had he let Allende remain in office but acted as a counterweight, the dirty war there could have been avoided. It didn't have to go the way it went.
Read the transcipts of the Chilean Truth Commision (including testimony about how the Chilean miliary taught dogs how to rape women) and you won't shed much of a tear for the beloved jefe, however.
3000 dead, 28,000 tortured. The price was probably worth it to get rid of that socialist Allende and his bizarre idea to make sure mothers had enough milk for their babies.
That was sarcastic. The news coverage on this has been very "fair and balanced". NPR even quoted an expert saying that, in spite of the violence, Pinochet made some real contributions to Chile's economy. (And Mussolini made the trains run on time.)
They then went on to say that Allende's socialist economic policies were "disastrous". There was no analysis of this statement in light that the CIA (and this is proven in documentation) was working very hard, along with US trade unions, including the teamsters, to destabalize Chile's economy.
All that said, Pinochet is an interesting character. He was very loyal to the democratic government and trusted by Allende. What made him change is a subject of speculation, but once he did change, he was ruthless. He was powerful enough before this that had he let Allende remain in office but acted as a counterweight, the dirty war there could have been avoided. It didn't have to go the way it went.
Read the transcipts of the Chilean Truth Commision (including testimony about how the Chilean miliary taught dogs how to rape women) and you won't shed much of a tear for the beloved jefe, however.
M
Magnus
Guest
... Disrupted democratic principles
... Enriched himself over "his" people
... Convictions without trial
... Mass murder
... Brutal
... Stupid
...
... Now who again does he remind me of .........?
... Enriched himself over "his" people
... Convictions without trial
... Mass murder
... Brutal
... Stupid
...
... Now who again does he remind me of .........?
Kim Coxon
Moderator
I didn't realise that he was noted for his photography! 
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Sparrow
Veteran
Not many people did, I think it was a covert thingKim Coxon said:I didn't realise that he was noted for his photography!
Kim
dazedgonebye
Veteran
I doubt leaving photographic evidence was a high priority.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
"The front page of La Nacion newspaper was black, with a sinister photograph of Pinochet peering out from its center.
Its headline said, "Pinochet 1915-2006. Never again".
Agreed.
Its headline said, "Pinochet 1915-2006. Never again".
Agreed.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
"Pinochet 1915-2006. Never again".
oh, don't deceive yourself - it will happen again, and again, and again. Most countries in the world ARE dictatorships...
"In Spain, Isabel Allende, daughter of former President Salvador Allende who committed suicide during the 1973 coup..."
Revisionist propaganda. While I'm no commie lover, he was murdered during the coup.
oh, don't deceive yourself - it will happen again, and again, and again. Most countries in the world ARE dictatorships...
"In Spain, Isabel Allende, daughter of former President Salvador Allende who committed suicide during the 1973 coup..."
Revisionist propaganda. While I'm no commie lover, he was murdered during the coup.
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gareth
Established
The other September the 11th, and another case of American sponsored terrorism.
Good riddance, just a shame he didn't die behind bars.
Good riddance, just a shame he didn't die behind bars.
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Magnus
Guest
kbg32 said:
wouldn't that be nice .... if countries would never again be disrupted for their oil-reserves and people wouldn't die a senseless and meaningless death, if all prisoners would be able to get a fair trial, if all inhabitants of this world would treated with respect lose from the religion they practice, if the leaders of nations would look after their own first before totally disrupting other nations.... etc. etc. etc.
And you know what, without greed and the urge for ever increasing power this would all be so possible.
But then it's "us" that vote these *******s into government, and keep them there whilst they are keeping us "hooked on religion sex and TV" (john lennon, working class hero)
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Kim Coxon
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Ok enough. This is a photographic forum.
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