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Assaf

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Hi guys,
I want to start developing film at home.
I have some experience with developing in the simple way - using a developing tank. However, I'm trying to find an easier way since I am sloppy by nature, and usually wasn't accurate with temperature/time etc.

I heard that there are simple home developing kits that do almost everything for you. Is that true?
Does anyone know anything about it?
Thanks in advance
Assaf
 
Hi Assaf,

that depends on how much automatisation you really want.

If you just want some of the hassle taken away, you can get a simple Jobo CPE/CPA/CPP (the same machine, only in different sizes). This is basically just a motor which lets the drum rotate in a water bath of a specified temperature. There were two series (designated CPE and CPE-2 etc.), the newer one is usually preferable. If you want a little more comfort, there is a lift attachment which will allow you to pour chemicals in through a funnel and out through a hose (otherwise you have to take the drum out of the bath for every change of baths). These machines will not take care of changing baths for you, so timing is still your own problem. Another interesting, if expensive, device in this category is the Heiland TAS processor; instead of rotating in a bath, it inverts the drum regularly just as you would do manually, and it has a timer to warn you when the process ends. Changing chemicals is still your own duty, but the process itself is taken care of.

If you want fully automatic operation, it can get surprisingly tricky and the machines get rather complicated. After all, you need at least some sort of computer to control the process, and several different chemical storage tanks with their own temperature control. The most popular machines in this field are the Jobo ATLs. Some of these are simply CPAs or CPEs with a little more electronics, some of these are fully-blown professional development machines. They differ considerably in features, prices, and also in requirements; for example, some simple ATLs require a hot water supply as well as a cold water supply for temperature control. Entry-level models are, for example, the ATL-1, which is an oversized CPP, or the ATL-1000/1500, which is a very compact and easy-to-use machine, but may need a tempered water supply for washing the film. (Not that getting warm water out of a cold-water tap is a problem in Israel.) I would try looking for an ATL-1000 or ATL-1500 for your scenario. You can get an impression of what they do by reading the manuals. However, there are some other fully-automatic processors as well. I used a Mafina V-50 for a while, which was a washing-machine-sized apparatus where somebody had attached a laptop for process control. Not bad; a bit big though. Instead of spooling films on spools and developing them in a drum, you spooled them on the outside of a huge drum which rotated in a light-tight chamber with the bath at the bottom. The original machine with this setup was the Colenta, I think.

Automatisation does make you a little lazy, though, and it can be wasteful on chemicals (especially fixer). Many machines don't collect the chemicals separately, so you either have the discipline to put a different bucket under the outflow after every bath, or you end up using one-shot chemicals a lot.

Philipp
 
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Thanks rxmd and EmilGil!
That's been very elaborate.
Can you please give me a rough estimation of the costs of these machines?
 
CPAs sell for very low money here on eBay, between 20 and 100 EUR, but that doesn't help you because you need to get it to Israel.

Used ATLs usually sell for between 200 and 450 EUR, depending on the model. The really huge ones can sometimes be had for less if you arrange transport yourself, but that again won't help you much.
 
I bought cpe2 two years ago... and used it only once or twice, to discover that developing using regular tank is much easier and faster (both for B&W and colour).
Thermometer, timer, tank (waterproof one helps a lot) and sink with runing hot/ cold water is all I need for most processes. Every new invention is source for as much problems as it is supposed to solve. With cpe2 you have to fill it with water, heat it, feed the film onto spools, check time and temperature, change chemicals... it's all the same it's just bigger, more expensive and complicated. Usually I develop my films in 10 to 15 minutes, for colours it's 3-5 minutes, and out of my laziness I decided it's better to keep it simple. The only thing I liked about jobo cpe 2 is their tank when closed it's really tight no spills etc, so you can use it anywhere in your place without fear of spilling some developer on the sofa or rug.
 
cruz, I have a similar experience. I had to get rid of the Mafina when moving and haven't looked back since. Of course it was convenient - load the film, press a button and collect the ready-developed film twenty minutes later. But it was a huge device, you ran into all sorts of trouble with films of odd lengths because of the way the spools worked, and it ate a lot of chemicals.

Now the only development "machine" I keep is an old Ilford roller. I put my development tank on that for fixing and rinsing so I don't have to do all the inversions myself.

Philipp
 
shadowfox said:
I've been wondering about this also, this is a very informative thread, thanks guys!

Indeed. You've been very helpfull guys! thanks a lot

Mentioning developing "machines", is there a device to load the film into the tank. I mean something automatice that doesn't require dark room or dark bag?

What's exactly the Ilord roller?

Regarding delivery rates to Israel - you'll be amazed how much used photography equipment is easy to find here. I know a dealer in Tel Aviv who has on the shelf Rolleiflexes, black Canonets and even Olympus RC and RD which are know to be hard to find.
 
Assaf said:
Mentioning developing "machines", is there a device to load the film into the tank. I mean something automatice that doesn't require dark room or dark bag?
Not that I know of. It would also be kind of difficult to imagine such a device - I mean it has to get the film out of the canister and on the spool, and then the spool into the tank, and then close the tank, and all in the dark - kind of complicated.

The closest to that that I am aware of is the Agfa Rondinax - it's a kind of manual mini-processor for one roll of film. There are two Rondinax variants, the Rondinax 35 for 135 film and the Rondinax 60 for 120 film. Basically the film gets spooled on the spool inside the tank, in daylight without a changing bag. You pour in the chemicals, and then the tank has a handle on the side by which you can turn the spool inside. After development is complete, you pour out the chemicals again. It comes with a built-in thermometer, very convenient, clean and easy to use in daylight. Rondinaxes used to be quite cheap on eBay (1 EUR was quite common), but there was a demand surge about two years ago when prices went up. I guess now they should be between five and ten euro. Definitely a nice thing to have and a low-hassle way of getting single films developed.

Assaf said:
What's exactly the Ilord roller?
The Ilford roller is a small device produced by Ilford for the Ilfochrome process. Basically it's a motor with rubber-covered wheels on top. You put a development tank on the roller, the drum presses down a switch, the wheels rotate and spin the tank. Very convenient. The best thing about it is that it costs about 1 EUR on eBay because very few people nowadays print Ilfochrome at home.

I mainly use the roller for fixing. Pour in the fixer, put it on the roller, let it rotate for a couple of minutes and pour out the fixer again. It also works for print development, if you use drums for larger sheets of paper for which you don't have sufficiently large trays.

Philipp
 
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