Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Ostrich doesn't fly.
Gid
Well-known
palker
Established
Why do you assume it is not possible to frame an interesting shot with an auto focus camera? Out of focus is simply out of focus and will always be sent to the trash can. I find many times I want to take a photo, I have to grab the camera, point and shoot, I don't have time to worry about ASA, White balance, Exposure.
Richard Marks
Rexel
You miss understand
the challenge as set was "most shots in focus" with auto versus RF. I am simply saying this is not the best critereon. Quality of image is more important than quantity in focus to me. I am not saying you can not cut it with auto focus. You most certainly can and many people do this quite hapilly. I just find a camera that slows things down makes my composition better and the process is more rewarding for me. Incidentally binning any omage that is not sharp is a little sad. Im guessing you have not used a Holga!
Best wishes
Richard
palker
Established
me miss-understand its my middle name.
i did wonder about the test, but it was too technical for me .. 1/2 a stop and 10mm spots ..
btw I knew an Olga if that counts .. but i'd not like to comment on if she was used ..
Richard Marks
Rexel
Hi Thanks
me miss-understand its my middle name.
i did wonder about the test, but it was too technical for me .. 1/2 a stop and 10mm spots ..
btw I knew an Olga if that counts .. but i'd not like to comment on if she was used ..
I notice from your other thread that you are abandoning your M8
Its just a thought that an R series might be worth a look if you have decided to change. Still film at the moment, DMR modules a bit scarce second hand but who knows what might happen. Its manual focus bit very easy.
Richard
kevin m
Veteran
No, it IS the point when you're trying to get shots in focus.
Cliches.
I use RF's and SLR's side by side, and I use the roughly the same shooting methods with each. My experience has been that fast, long focal length lenses is where RF cameras are at a decided disadvantage to SLR's. I had both a 75 'lux and a 90 Summicron, and neither one was equal to the Canon EF 85/1.2 in real world shooting in terms of delivering "keepers."
Richard Marks
Rexel
If you use the same shooting methods with RF and autofocus then I assume you are not focusing the rangefinder as you have to move the focus ring with your hand. No wonder you get more keepers with the CanonNo, it IS the point when you're trying to get shots in focus.
Cliches.
I use RF's and SLR's side by side, and I use the roughly the same shooting methods with each. My experience has been that fast, long focal length lenses is where RF cameras are at a decided disadvantage to SLR's. I had both a 75 'lux and a 90 Summicron, and neither one was equal to the Canon EF 85/1.2 in real world shooting in terms of delivering "keepers."
. Seriously though its not a great challenge that you are setting. Richard
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
You shouldn't be afraid to say what you think, really
jaapv is a dentist and I think he has been at the laughing gas
To be honest, I can't even see the eye of a bird in flight let alone focus on it - unless it was an ostrich or something similar.
That is your problem - an optician might be of service....
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Might I suggest that you do some more training on your camera handling? And where did I say a manual SLR and a DSLR differ? As a matter of fact they do, because you cut out the autofocus mechanism.
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ferider
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Responding to this and a similar claim in another thread: like you said, this is your experience only, and might be due to a combination of wrong camera, wrong technique and favorable environment for the Canon lens (let me guess: sunny 16 ?
). At 1/60th and below, your Canon lens (no stabilizer) is dead in the water without mono or tripod.Regarding KR's review, the funny thing is that he is mostly right. And the problem would be ?
Cheers,
Roland.
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jaapv
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dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Do you mean your manual shots are usually out of focus?
Nope.. I mean my AF shots are in focus where I want them to be in focus - I've never had an issue with that though
(same goes for my RF manual focus stuff)As others have said in other threads "Horses for courses".
Shooting birds gliding around is one thing.
Shooting a hummingbird that is moving and not hovering is another.
Shooting 200mph race cars another; shooting during a war yet another.
There are different tools for each of these types of shooting. For some, it seems the tools would always be the same while for others the tools would, indeed, be different.
It seems that no matter what anyone else will state it will not change your mind Jaap (and to be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to change your mind...after all, you seem to be set in your ways
)I think what some of the other folks here may want is for you (and some others who seem to be hell bent on never having the name "Leica" be sullied in any way, shape or form) to have a bit of an open mind to the fact that maybe, just maybe, there may be methods that work for them that are different than your own.
If there's one thing I've learned in my short life so far is that there are no "absolutes" per se.
Cheers,
Dave
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Digressing from bird's eyes back to Ken Rockwell............
He does have a very recent (June '08) favorable review of the Yashica Electro GSN.
Unfortunately, he closes with an incorrect explanation how to do fill flash with a Vivitar 283 where he gets the math backwards.
Fortunately, only a few of us dinosaurs remain who use a 283 for fill so probably no one will notice.
He does have a very recent (June '08) favorable review of the Yashica Electro GSN.
Unfortunately, he closes with an incorrect explanation how to do fill flash with a Vivitar 283 where he gets the math backwards.
Fortunately, only a few of us dinosaurs remain who use a 283 for fill so probably no one will notice.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
It seems that no matter what anyone else will state it will not change your mind Jaap (and to be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to change your mind...after all, you seem to be set in your ways
I think what some of the other folks here may want is for you (and some others who seem to be hell bent on never having the name "Leica" be sullied in any way, shape or form) to have a bit of an open mind to the fact that maybe, just maybe, there may be methods that work for them that are different than your own.
If there's one thing I've learned in my short life so far is that there are no "absolutes" per se.
Cheers,
Dave
I can live with that, Dave. I wonder if the search engine can couple my name with the phrase "horses for courses" It might bring up a few posts....
Didier
"Deed"
Ken Rockwell is a rather untalented part-time photographer and his articles are neither worth to be read nor to be discussed.
Didier
Didier
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Indeed it is, the M8 is not very suited for that. It would be, if it had better capabilities for electronically releasing the shutter. Hummingbirds are done thus:
IR light barrier in front of a flower, camera and flash hooked up to the barrier, focus on a spot just in front of the barrier to compensate for the shutter delay and wait for a hummingbird to get hungry. If the camera has AF, switch it off, there is no way it can keep up with such a bird.
I've seen amazing shots done this way. There is a guy in Germany who has this setup over a pond in his backyard. His diving Kingfisher shots are beyond stunning. He does workshops too.
S
Socke
Guest
Or you just have some luck and call the result good enough
Canon D60 with EF 75-300 mk1. That was a grab shot, had the zoom on the camera for a lizard which came onto the porch every day around noon.
Far from perfect, but it's a memory I wouldn't want to miss.
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Here's the lizard
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Indeed a nice shot, taken with the right tool. Nobody is disputing that. Just the notion that AF is a catch-all...
I think my girl has more beautiful eyes. But the rest maybe less......
I think my girl has more beautiful eyes
. But the rest maybe less......kevin m
Veteran
Why would anyone lug an f1.2 lens to shoot at sunny 16?
No, mainly dimly lit churches and the like. More keepers with the Canon in the same conditions, that's all. And the Canon's no slouch in the IQ department, either. I think it's ergonomics of the fast, tele RF lenses that spoils their use for me. I got on well with the 90/2.8 Hexanon and even the 135 Tele Elmar, but the long, ungainly focus throw of the 75 lux and 90 Summicron, even with the Lutz steer, just spoiled them for me.