Spot the flaw in this statement

kevin m said:
Sure you do. Inventing a fictional "them" on which to cast aspersions is lazy at best. At worst, it's something else.
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Dear Kevin,

Do not judge everyone by your own standards of laziness or worse. Your post was vague and poorly phrased. But if you want a more precise analysis of 'them':

There are those who know a lot.

There are those who know a little.

There are those in between.

From decades of observation, it is those who know little or nothing who are the most convinced that they understand everything.

Does that clarify it enough for you?

Or to take another slant, there is a well-observed phenomenon in intelligence testing. At around IQ 120 (obviously the figure varies according to the test used), people are bright enough to know that they are brighter than other people, but not bright enough to realize that there are plenty around who are brighter than they.

Cheers,

R.
 
leicasniper said:
Leica could halt all this discussion by enthusiasts by simply stating that they have no interest in being a "player" in the camera market, that they intend to produce high priced boutique cameras that look like an M3 forever.

I've said before that I believe there is a core customer base for Leica that is completely insensitive to cost and will pay anything for Leica's offering. If total sales of 20,000 units or less of any new camera they make continues to be acceptable to the company, then I have no doubt they can achieve that, even if the M9 costs $10,000.
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What do you mean by 'player'?

Do you mean 'competitor with Canon and Nokia'?

If they can stay in business by making cameras that look (and to some extent, handle) like an M3, what's anyone's problem with this?

Cheers,

R.
 
Depends on what exactly that advice would be, Roger.
In some cases you dont even need to own the product, a LR or a Leica or whatever, in order to know what YOU would like to have in that.
If it is technically possible or if it is financially feasible to implement your "advice", that's a different story. But we would all like a full frame M-something, right? and i am sure Leica would be happy to build it for us if it would be so easy and cheap.
Expressing your oppinion is not wrong no matter how much you are "at home".
Expecting that they will seriously consider it, is wrong.
 
Pherdinand said:
Depends on what exactly that advice would be, Roger.
In some cases you dont even need to own the product, a LR or a Leica or whatever, in order to know what YOU would like to have in that.
If it is technically possible or if it is financially feasible to implement your "advice", that's a different story. But we would all like a full frame M-something, right? and i am sure Leica would be happy to build it for us if it would be so easy and cheap.
Expressing your oppinion is not wrong no matter how much you are "at home".
Expecting that they will seriously consider it, is wrong.
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Dear Pherdinand,

Can't argue with a word of that.

Cheers,

R.
 
leicasniper said:
We may be stuck in the present, but Leica is stuck in the past. Meanwhile, Nikon and Canon have people who are paid to gaze into crystal balls.
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Ah; the same thinking that brought us the Edsel.

Or to change manufacturers, I've no doubt that General Motors employs more crystal-ball-gazers than Morgan, and Honda certainly employes more of them than Hesketh. Personally, I'd prefer a Morgan or a Hesketh. But I suspect they're not 'players' in your world picture.

Cheers,

R.
 
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To get back to the British Leyland mistique for a minute ... I got to work on all of their products during my apprenticeship and the car that I remember and love the most is the Triumph TR2 ... that car as a sportscar is what the IIIg or maybe the M3 is to the rangefinder genre ... if you believe in the Leica legend that is! 😛
 
leicasniper said:
My only - short lived, thankfully - experience with a Triumph was a TR7 I ended up with in a trade. This had to be the worst built car in history and a constant repair nightmare. I think it was the car that killed BL.
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Then of course you had the Triumph Stag which was a V8 made by sticky taping two Saab 4cyl engines together I'm told! 😛
 
Roger Hicks said:
Kaufmann, at Arles, July 2008: "I am the current CEO of Leica, and hopefully for many years to come."
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August Busch IV said something very similar (though more emphatically) in the months before Anheuser Busch was bought by InBev.🙂

I have to confess to not having studied Leica's financial/ownership structure. Exactly how much of Leica does Kaufmann own?
 
Keith said:
To get back to the British Leyland mistique for a minute ... I got to work on all of their products during my apprenticeship and the car that I remember and love the most is the Triumph TR2 ... that car as a sportscar is what the IIIg or maybe the M3 is to the rangefinder genre ... if you believe in the Leica legend that is! 😛
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Dear Keith,

In the 70s I had both TR2 and TR3 -- the TR2 was prettier -- and in the 80s, a TR4. The TR2 was the one I liked best, even with the original 85 bhp engine. the problem with my TR3 was that the doors sometimes flew open on bumpy curves...

Cheers,

R.
 
on the collection market Belgian build TR (2 and 3) (Noncevaux, Imperia factory) and Minis (Seneffe) are considered as better build and less rust prone...
What is true with beer (Inbev is basically a Belgian company... ) and cars ... could be true with cameras... They need a leica factory in Belgium... I should contact the prime minister about that (oups there is none for the moment)... ;-)
 
Roger Hicks said:
Dear Keith,

In the 70s I had both TR2 and TR3 -- the TR2 was prettier --
Cheers,

R.
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I'm dating myself, but the 58 Bug-eyed Sprite was my favorite because it was my first BMC. Spartan with no real door panels, an A series motor with dual SU's that could bring a smile to my face ever morning, no radio and a dual fused electrical circuit - it seemed fast without having to travel fast.

My later MGB GT and MGB roadster never came close to the experience I had with the minimalist Sprite.

I never did get a Triumph. Although the TR6 always caught me eye.
 
Roger Hicks said:
In the 70s I had both TR2 and TR3 -- the TR2 was prettier -- and in the 80s, a TR4. The TR2 was the one I liked best, even with the original 85 bhp engine. the problem with my TR3 was that the doors sometimes flew open on bumpy curves...
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And you say there was a flaw in your first statement. That is enough qualification on the Internets, mon ami!

I once had a leaky pen. I am now qualified to say that all pencils are better than pens. 😉
 
Solinar said:
I'm dating myself, but the 58 Bug-eyed Sprite was my favorite because it was my first BMC. Spartan with no real door panels, an A series motor with dual SU's that could bring a smile to my face ever morning, no radio and a dual fused electrical circuit - it seemed fast without having to travel fast.

My later MGB GT and MGB roadster never came close to the experience I had with the minimalist Sprite.

I never did get a Triumph. Although the TR6 always caught me eye.
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The TR2 to me was the ultimate bare bones sports car. You nearly lay in the things, there was a little short gearstick, the pedals were hard to reach, the clutch was heavy and you felt like your backside was inches off the ground and any speed felt fast.

The beautiful wet sleeve engine amazingly, was also common to the Massey Fergusson tractor and also powered all the Vanguards till they bought out the 1600cc six cylinder which eventually was upgraded to two litre and became the engine for the Triumph 2000 and went on in it's final guise to power the TR6 and the Triumph 2.5 PI at two and a half litres with Lucas (not good) fuel injection.

The TR6 was an absolute rocket and I remember my first drive in one like it was yesterday ... I was out road testing one, which as an apprentice was not approved and had the thing all crossed up smoking the tyres around a corner when the workshop foreman came around the corner in the opposite direction on his way back to work from lunch. I was banned for driving for a month after that incident! 😛
 
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The RE Bullet

The RE Bullet

Roger Hicks said:
Dear Leigh,

Funny you should say that...

R.
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Yes, I knew you were a fan. Actually the Bullet is distributed here in Australia with Oz compliance plates etc and the importer also shows a range of spare parts on their website. I've just sold my glider and my wife doesn't want a yacht. Maybe an RE Bullet would pass the test? (Doubt it).
It costs AUD $7000-8000 here which is miniscule compared to the price of the big brands but is still about three times the price ex India!
 
Leigh Youdale said:
It costs AUD $7000-8000 here which is miniscule compared to the price of the big brands but is still about three times the price ex India!
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But I think that the export spec/quality control is also 2x Indian levels/value so it's only a 50% premium...

The main reason I don't have one is that I can ride my BMW like a Bullet (80-90 km/h, 110 km/h max) but I couldn't ride a Bullet like my BMW (130-150 km/h, 200+ km/h max).

Cheers,

R.
 
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