Avotius
Some guy
I thought this was a really great deal for a used M8, maybe someone here would be interested. Too bad I dont got a few extra bucks sitting around because I would love to have it!
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/for-sale.shtml
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/for-sale.shtml
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Looks like Reichmann needs money - I bet he's been hit hard by the recent drop in stock/share prices.
Dave
Dave
Avotius
Some guy
I duno if it is that. I would want to sell off a bunch of expensive equipment if I had it sitting around too....but you know what they say.....cant have enough money....
Vickko
Veteran
Hmmm, I was thinking that a $2000 M8 might not be too far away
Hmmm, I was thinking that a $2000 M8 might not be too far away
Hmmm, I was thinking that a $2000 M8 might not be too far away.
At first I didn't think I'd see it this year, but looking at how things are going, maybe by Easter, there will be $2000 M8's to be had.
I'll be curious to see postings about how much "out of warranty" repairs cost, though.....
...Vick
Hmmm, I was thinking that a $2000 M8 might not be too far away
Hmmm, I was thinking that a $2000 M8 might not be too far away.
At first I didn't think I'd see it this year, but looking at how things are going, maybe by Easter, there will be $2000 M8's to be had.
I'll be curious to see postings about how much "out of warranty" repairs cost, though.....
...Vick
dfoo
Well-known
Seeing as you could buy a brand new M8 for < $3000 until a few days ago, it doesn't seem like a very good deal to me!
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
hehe.. unless you have a time machine, that information doesn't do anyone a squat of good today
So, if it does cost more than $3,000 now for an M8 (instead of a few days ago), then it may be a good deal to someone
Cheers,
Dave
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Vick,
I can give you a good guesstimate on at least one item - Sensor replacement costs about $950 CDN
Cheers,
Dave
Vickko
Veteran
Wow, thanks Dave.
I suppose buying an RD1 isn't much different, if the shutter or sensor goes, it isn't going to be cheap, except that an RD1 is only $1200 or so.
Maybe the Panasonic G1 with lens adapter is the proper route to economically play "digital Leica".
...Vick
...Vick
I suppose buying an RD1 isn't much different, if the shutter or sensor goes, it isn't going to be cheap, except that an RD1 is only $1200 or so.
Maybe the Panasonic G1 with lens adapter is the proper route to economically play "digital Leica".
...Vick
...Vick
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Ya.. perhaps Vick.
I think my problem with digital stuff is, unless it is full frame, you kind of "lose" some of the effect of shooting wide open - the shallow DOF that one expects isn't so shallow on a crop sensor body (regardless of which system you're shooting on) - but that's a different kettle of fish
Dave
I think my problem with digital stuff is, unless it is full frame, you kind of "lose" some of the effect of shooting wide open - the shallow DOF that one expects isn't so shallow on a crop sensor body (regardless of which system you're shooting on) - but that's a different kettle of fish
Dave
Vickko
Veteran
I don't understand loss of DOF, with digital.
I don't understand loss of DOF, with digital.
I never understood that. With a crop sensor, isn't it just like shooting with a third of the 36 x 24mm frame covered?
The razor thin DOF of my Noctilux is still razor thin, just that the image that I'm taking is like cropping it to that of a 100mm lens. Or, to think of it another way, my Noctilux becomes a 100mm f1 lens.
Fortunately, with the Panasonic, I see what I'm framing.
Isn't that so?
regards
Vick
I don't understand loss of DOF, with digital.
I never understood that. With a crop sensor, isn't it just like shooting with a third of the 36 x 24mm frame covered?
The razor thin DOF of my Noctilux is still razor thin, just that the image that I'm taking is like cropping it to that of a 100mm lens. Or, to think of it another way, my Noctilux becomes a 100mm f1 lens.
Fortunately, with the Panasonic, I see what I'm framing.
Isn't that so?
regards
Vick
fbf
Well-known
I actually think the tx-1 45/90 kit and the sold canon 20d IR are great deal for someone in market.
mich8261
Well-known
I doubt very much M. Reichmann is selling his M8 to pay the rent. Just have a look at the gear he has acquired recently (not tested, but purchased), not to say anything of the cameras and lens he has given away as part of his seasonal contests (they were not promotional items).
I wish he would sell his film Ms.
I wish he would sell his film Ms.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Vick,
Well.. I know there are a lot of people on both sides of that DOF issue - and really, I don't mean merely "DOF" so much as I mean out of focus areas (or bokeh).
Basically, how I understand it and view it is the following:
Given - same lens, same aperture, same shutter speed, same ISO
Variable - Camera types (one crop, one full frame)
Constant - Same "Subject Placement In The Given Frame"
I use that last one (Subject Placement In The Given Frame) to refer to the fact that, in order that you're going to get the SAME "image" out of both cameras, you're going to have to either a) move the crop sensor camera away from the subject or b) move the full frame sensor towards the subject. So, if your subject appears in the top right hand corner of the frame in the crop sensor camera, then you're going to have to move towards the subject to get the same image; that is, your subject in the top right hand corner of the frame.
Now, shoot the image - remember, same aperture - the OOF / bokeh should be a bit more pronounced on the full frame sensor at the same aperture etc.
That's how I've looked at this - I know the OFF / bokeh / DOF of the 75 Lux looks different shot on full frame versus crop body digital.. that's the only way I can describe it.. hope it helps somewhat.
Cheers,
Dave
Well.. I know there are a lot of people on both sides of that DOF issue - and really, I don't mean merely "DOF" so much as I mean out of focus areas (or bokeh).
Basically, how I understand it and view it is the following:
Given - same lens, same aperture, same shutter speed, same ISO
Variable - Camera types (one crop, one full frame)
Constant - Same "Subject Placement In The Given Frame"
I use that last one (Subject Placement In The Given Frame) to refer to the fact that, in order that you're going to get the SAME "image" out of both cameras, you're going to have to either a) move the crop sensor camera away from the subject or b) move the full frame sensor towards the subject. So, if your subject appears in the top right hand corner of the frame in the crop sensor camera, then you're going to have to move towards the subject to get the same image; that is, your subject in the top right hand corner of the frame.
Now, shoot the image - remember, same aperture - the OOF / bokeh should be a bit more pronounced on the full frame sensor at the same aperture etc.
That's how I've looked at this - I know the OFF / bokeh / DOF of the 75 Lux looks different shot on full frame versus crop body digital.. that's the only way I can describe it.. hope it helps somewhat.
Cheers,
Dave
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Messr Reichmann likely doesn't need a lot of coin in his bank accounts - he made that all well before the dot com bubble burst - but I was just joshing that was the reason why he was selling - then again, I neglected to add in the obligatory
into the post.. Dave
Avotius
Some guy
I talked to him about that a while back, he sold them all off when he all but stopped using film several years ago.
In fact...I hope he doesnt mind but here is the cut out from the email
".........
I'm afraid that I sold all of my film equipment several years ago. Digital produces such superior image quality and is so much more convenient, that there seemed little point in continuing with it. Miss some of the equipment, such as the M Leica and Xpan, but I definitely don't miss film.
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mich8261
Well-known
What?!!!
What?!!!
Avotius, that's is pretty funny. I recently came acrosee MR's "review" of the M6 and this sentence convinced me not to sell my M2, even if it was to be replaced by an M6 or M7.
"For some reason, which frankly now escapes me, and which in retrospect must have been caused by a serious case of brain-fade, I sold the M6 and 3 lenses that I then owned in late 1997. Life lesson # 43: Never, ever sell a Leica. You'll just end up buying another one at some time in the future."
What?!!!
Avotius, that's is pretty funny. I recently came acrosee MR's "review" of the M6 and this sentence convinced me not to sell my M2, even if it was to be replaced by an M6 or M7.
"For some reason, which frankly now escapes me, and which in retrospect must have been caused by a serious case of brain-fade, I sold the M6 and 3 lenses that I then owned in late 1997. Life lesson # 43: Never, ever sell a Leica. You'll just end up buying another one at some time in the future."