Frank Petronio
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True, had Hitler been a bit saner we'd probably be looking at memorials to the guy for defeating communism!
What was the film and its speed? I wonder how it held up?
What was the film and its speed? I wonder how it held up?
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
Good question, Frank. Various slides read 1938 meaning 70 yrs old. Possibly asa 10, wonder what emulsion? USA or Reich? These should be in a museum for photo historians to evaluate. Some appeared to have weaker color but a little p-shop should punch the colors right back.
peterm1
Veteran
Incidentally despite my post which might suggest that I think MrHitler was not a particularly nice man (ahem) I am still interested in the period and its history and so thanks very much for the post. The pictures are fascinating. In fact there is still huge interest in the Nazi period, it holds a kind of weird pull on people - perhaps its those spiffy uniforms :^)
Is anyone else here old enough to remember that maybe 20 years back someone did some research on the best selling topics for non fiction books and when he found the answer he published his own - which he called "Cat Surfing for Nazis" I guess these were the topics.
Is anyone else here old enough to remember that maybe 20 years back someone did some research on the best selling topics for non fiction books and when he found the answer he published his own - which he called "Cat Surfing for Nazis" I guess these were the topics.
john341
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I wonder how many more pix of the führer are going to come like a blast from the past. If he'd had a good publicity agent he would be making a fortune.The pictures are interesting to see and looking at him one would wonder why people would follow him to destruction, but when one reads his speeches, one can almost understand how he propelled the german volk to its dizzy heights.
gb hill
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Hugo Jaeger's life is amazing. If you didn't read the captions below the photo's you missed it. This would make a great movie. How that man kept those photos buried until 1955 being able to go & unearth them from time to time amazes me.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
Well, he did make a fortune off the royalties from Mein Kampf and the business transaction stamps carrying his likeness. He was pretty well-to-do even before the plundering began.
outfitter
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Germany and World War II is a serious topic beyond the scope of this forum. For a somewhat different and eyeopening perspective I highly recommend: Hitler's Empire: How the Nazis Ruled Europe by Mark Mazower.
I have always been fascinated by color photography and film of the WWII era as its adds an immediacy to the images and of course highlights the gaudy trappings of the Nazis. Does anyone know whether these slides were made with Agfa or Kodachrome?
I have always been fascinated by color photography and film of the WWII era as its adds an immediacy to the images and of course highlights the gaudy trappings of the Nazis. Does anyone know whether these slides were made with Agfa or Kodachrome?
Spoks
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These are pictures of a immensely brutal man, in a totally crazy time. Which makes these pictures interesting.
To charm the elders, in Hitler's very political beginning, Hitler adopted this tyrolian mustache. These single toothbrush mustaches were popular among elderly farmers of Tyrol. Hitler wanted to portray himself as a young man of 'old & conservative values', by wearing this mustache. By this looking like a 30 year old grandfather, sort of.
This is not very unlike these young muslim freedom fighters of today, wearing a heavy beard, just like their grandfathers. This mustache became a trademark for Hitler, but looked silly when he starts to wear uniforms, at the top of his career.
There is another parallell too. Many of the muslim extremists of al Qaida and Taleban are among the 'walking wounded' of the Sovjet - Afgan War. Totally crazy people, to put it simple. Hitler, obviously, was among the walking wounded of the WW I, - and totally crazy too. Along with a lot of others of his generation. A good example of how a war brutalizes people. The WW I led to the WWII in more than one way.
Sure, the victors write the history, but it is difficult to get around Hitler's holocaust. With more than 7 million people, from small children to old folks, 'vernichtet', that's pritty extraordinary. And implicating a whole nation in the process. An outragous act. I know a lot of people who still got problems with befriending 'Germans'.
To charm the elders, in Hitler's very political beginning, Hitler adopted this tyrolian mustache. These single toothbrush mustaches were popular among elderly farmers of Tyrol. Hitler wanted to portray himself as a young man of 'old & conservative values', by wearing this mustache. By this looking like a 30 year old grandfather, sort of.
This is not very unlike these young muslim freedom fighters of today, wearing a heavy beard, just like their grandfathers. This mustache became a trademark for Hitler, but looked silly when he starts to wear uniforms, at the top of his career.
There is another parallell too. Many of the muslim extremists of al Qaida and Taleban are among the 'walking wounded' of the Sovjet - Afgan War. Totally crazy people, to put it simple. Hitler, obviously, was among the walking wounded of the WW I, - and totally crazy too. Along with a lot of others of his generation. A good example of how a war brutalizes people. The WW I led to the WWII in more than one way.
Sure, the victors write the history, but it is difficult to get around Hitler's holocaust. With more than 7 million people, from small children to old folks, 'vernichtet', that's pritty extraordinary. And implicating a whole nation in the process. An outragous act. I know a lot of people who still got problems with befriending 'Germans'.
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JeffGreene
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My brother-in-law is Jewish and to this day he will not purchase German products or allow them in his home. He lost the entire European side of his family in the holocaust. Of course. we are talking here only about strongly branded products. I'm sure there are other German products he unwittingly uses.
Some years ago his son brought home a young female German student he had met at University. He refused her admittance to his home. Some people can never forgive.
Respectfully,
Some years ago his son brought home a young female German student he had met at University. He refused her admittance to his home. Some people can never forgive.
Respectfully,
nzeeman
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that is also form of racism just coming from the other side. no german from today did him harm and he still hates them...
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varjag
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Some people just don't like their family killed. Get over it.
nzeeman
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i have family members killed by croatian people but i still go to croatia and dont hate anybody but killers.
so i think it is not so hard to do for everybody...
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nzeeman
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i absolutely agree - but sometimes conversation just wander off in some strange direction - it happens in life too you know. sometimes you are on job and someone ask you about your family or something - and you dont shout at him - "we are at job for gods sake!"
so i think if conversation is polite - there is no point in censoring it...
so i think if conversation is polite - there is no point in censoring it...
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not censoring...reminding, and not just you.
censoring would be deleting posts.
censoring would be deleting posts.
nzeeman
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i know i was not upset or criticizing you or nikonh... - just making a lighthearted comment. i think that people just have to relax in communication both here and in real life.
also i am sorry for word censoring - i maybe used a bit strong word...
nzeeman
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lets try to guess what he used -
from dof in photos of those actresses which are in very low light which means aperture was wide open - it seems it is 135 format.
also if aperture was f1.5 on that one and around 1.5 -2 on 9th photo where hitler is among the cars.
lets say that light on those indoors was around ev3-4, and he used f1.5
since on every photo there is a bit blurring of movement -he must have used really slow speeds. so it is probably 25 asa slide film. and since there is no swirly bokeh of xenon - i suppose he used zeiss glass - sonnar f1.5 maybe?
and also i can be totally wrong...
edit: now i see that only kodachrome 10 and 16 asa existed in 1938 so it is probably 16 asa used for these...
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The first post on this thread threw it open to debate, by asking the question that followed the link.
The photo's do not look like Kodachrome: it did not fade this badly under most conditions. Of course, I do not know how they were stored. I've seen Kodachrome slides over 50 years old that looked as good as the day they were developed. I've shot Kodachrome II over 40 years ago, looks great. Agfachrome, 3M, and Anscochrome: faded badly on me.
The photo's do not look like Kodachrome: it did not fade this badly under most conditions. Of course, I do not know how they were stored. I've seen Kodachrome slides over 50 years old that looked as good as the day they were developed. I've shot Kodachrome II over 40 years ago, looks great. Agfachrome, 3M, and Anscochrome: faded badly on me.
nzeeman
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oh you are absolutely right - it must be agfachrome - it was produced in germany so chances are much bigger - i made mistake because i thought they introduced it later - but now i see it was made in 1936...
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varjag
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On some of the scans you can see those rounded corners, characteristic to Kodak processing service slide mounts. Did Agfa mount the slides similarly back in mid-30s too?