Collecting Cameras: It can be an obsession, but a little rationality helps!

Collecting Cameras: It can be an obsession, but a little rationality helps!

Before you start acquiring hardware define your objectives.

By Jason Schneider

“In the more reflective and typical sense, collecting seems to represent a very human process, indicative of our interests, our values, and the world we wish to create and inhabit. The motivation to collect transcends finance or preservation concerns and reflects far more about our sense of belonging, our communities, and our fundamental identities as human beings.” Professor Andrew Dillon, psychologist

Even as a tiny kid I was always fascinated by “little machines that work”—wind-up toys, mechanical watches, radios, etc. So, it’s hardly surprising that 2 years after I acquired my first “serious” camera (an East German Belfoca roll film folder) at the tender age 14, I began collecting cameras. Initially, I rationalized my unbridled acquisitiveness as a quest for better performing cameras at bargain prices. Technically I was still a “user-collector” since all the cameras in my budding collection were fully operational and I took pictures with them. Nevertheless, it soon became clear that the cameras themselves were the objects of my desire. They were technological works of art that embodied all the brilliance and follies of their human creators, and possessing and fondling them gave me a visceral sense of joy. In an uncertain, often unfulfilling world, my slowly expanding camera collection was one thing I could control. The one mistake I made was not defining my collecting objectives, and that’s why my collection started out as a random assortment of every imaginable camera type and format with no organizational theme whatsoever. This isn’t illegal, immoral, or fattening, but generally it's better to set some guidelines before entering the acquisitive phase.

Should you start a camera collection at all?

I’ve often been asked this question, and the right answer really depends on your passion, your financial resources, how you wish to allocate your time and energy, and whether you tend to be obsessive-compulsive in general. My sarcastic stock answer is, “Abandon all hope ye who enter here,” because camera collecting often becomes addictive and (depending on what you’re collecting) can be quite expensive and time-consuming. However, it can also be fun, educational, emotionally rewarding, expand your social connections with other collectors and groups, and (if you’re a savvy collector prepared to hang onto the truly exceptional stuff) be financially rewarding.

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Ultra-rare Leica I (Model A) with 50mm f/2.5 Hektor lens. You'd better have deep pockets if you want to collect something like this!

With respect to that last point, puh-lease do not go down the primrose road of camera collecting with the intention making money. Cameras, even rare and valuable ones, are seldom as fungible as you may think, and the percentage of camera collectors that have turned a profit on their collections is minuscule. In my own case (aside from helping to advance my career as a writer and editor) camera collecting has (despite a few notable coups) been a net negative on my balance sheet. Indeed, the ones most likely to benefit from the roughly 210 cameras I’ve amassed over the past 60 years or so are my heirs and assigns. WARNING: do not expect the inheritors of your collection are savvy enough to sell it for a good price. Arrange in advance for a camera collecting expert or a knowledgeable vintage camera dealer to execute any such transaction (for a fixed fee), and if it’s a single individual that he/she is young enough not to pre-decease you! So, to answer the momentous question, yes, t’s OK to start a camera collection so long as you know who you are, what your goals are, and what you’re getting into. Do not make this decision lightly!

What kind of camera collector are you? Here are some alternatives:

Camera collecting is inherently individualistic so there many sub-types of collectors. However, it’s helpful to define two basic types so you have some idea of where you fall on the spectrum

User-collectors: These folks usually select and collect cameras based on their imaging performance or operational characteristics rather than focusing on acquiring every variation in a specific product line. User-collectors typically take pictures with all or most of the cameras in their collections and either acquire them in perfect working order, or have them repaired to bring them up to spec. That’s why it’s important for user-collectors to cultivate a good working relationship with a competent and experienced repair person or shop, especially one familiar with repairing vintage equipment, and even able to modify or fabricate parts when needed. Individuals and companies that meet these criteria are not always easy to find and locating one may require some research. When you find one that works for you, stick with it!

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Proof I'm a user-collector: Here's Jason Schneider with his trusty 1937 Exakta I. NY Mets tee shirt offers further proof that I'm a masochist!

Most user-collectors eventually wind up with some cameras that don’t meet all their stated criteria, a classic example pf “mission creep” that applies to collectors of practically anything. Example: of the 210 cameras I presently own I shoot with roughly 20 of them quite often (at least once a month), about 50 of them occasionally (about once a year) and the rest once in a blue moon, but not never. The only user-collector “rule” I fastidiously adhere to is making sure all the cameras in my collection work as intended. Indeed, all but 6 of the cameras my collection are fully operational, and I fire and wind all of them occasionally to keep them that way. Over the years I’ve interviewed scores of user collectors who’ve told me similar stories.

Showcase collectors: As this designation implies, showcase collectors are inclined to put their camera collections on display rather than using them to take pictures. That’s why user-collectors (including your truly) sometimes poke fun at “showcase” camera collectors, just as classic car aficionados twit upscale car collectors who have their vintage classics trailered to car shows and hardly ever get behind the wheel.

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A section of Kodak's Commercial Patent Museum in 1925. The company established a de facto camera museum for commercial purposes.

However, showcase collectors are exponents of a noble heritage that dates to at least the early 20th century. That’s when George Eastman instituted a de facto corporate collection (first at the company's corporate Patent Museum, which eventually was donated to the George Eastman House, the world's first museum dedicated to the history of photography; see: https://www.eastman.org/collections) consisting of every Kodak camera model ever made, plus a large portion of the cameras produced by other manufacturers. Eastman Kodak Company also purchased several historic photographic collections, including the Gabriel Cromer collection (which consisted primarily of 19th century French material and is said to be the world's first collection of photographica). It would be physically impossible to display this gargantuan collection in its entirety, but rotating portions of the collection are shown at the George Eastman Museum in Rochester and gratis viewings of private parts of the collection can be arranged.

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Charming cover pf Kodak Magazine of November 1925 containing an extensive article on the Kodak Patent Museum.

By the mid 1930s, showcase Leica collectors were already creating gorgeous displays of every Leica camera and lens in the Leitz catalogs, and a smaller number of Contax aficionados were doing the same. Seeing any of these spectacular collections in person will silence any critique of the methodology or motivation behind their creation—they are simply breathtaking. Of course, later showcase displays of more contemporary cameras such as M-series Leicas, rangefinder Contaxes, Nikons, Canons, Rolleflexes, Hasselblads, et al are nothing less than dazzling monuments to the history of photographic technology that elevate their contents to the exalted status of art objects. It’s worth noting that while many of the items displayed in showcase collections are in fact fully functional, the primary criterion for their selection is flawless cosmetics. Theoretically this means that showcase collectors can save a bundle by not having all their cameras repaired, but trust me, many do anyway. In short, showcase collecting is a noble undertaking, and the fact that much of it is motivated by the “philatelic” instinct to acquire every variation of a particular model in no way diminishes its value as a historical record or as an exquisite physical representation of its evolution.

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The ill-fated Kodak EKtra of the '40s had advanced features, a mil spec split-image rangefinder, and a duff shutter, but it's a primo collectible.

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Rare Olive Leica M3. made for the German military. How much will one of these beauties set you back? If you have t ask you can't afford it!

How do you decide on a theme or themes for your camera collection?

Start with something you know, like which brands, types, and formats you’re passionate about, or maybe there’s some unsung or underappreciated brand or type you think deserves some recognition and love. The choice is emotional and personal, and the cameras in question can be anything from humble clunkers to elite masterpieces. For example, I know one guy who has a minicollection of unpretentious Pax rangefinder 35s, inexpensive Japanese compacts of the ‘50’s and early 60s that have a cool vintage form factor but are hardly the last word in terms of imaging performance. The thematic possibilities for your collection are virtually limitless, but here are some based on actual collections I’ve had the pleasure of viewing:

German twin-lens reflexes (Rolleiflex, Rolleicord, Ikoflex, Weltaflex, Rollop, rare original twin-lens Contaflex, and more.

Bronica focal plane shutter 6x6cm SLRS (rare Bronica Z and D (DeLuxe), Bronica C and C2, Bronica S, S2 and S2A, Bronica EC and EC-TL, etc.

Argus 35s (Argus A2, C2, C3 (all iterations), C-4, C-44 et al.

Kodak Box cameras: from “The Kodak” of 1888 to the Brazil-made Brownie II 110 cartridge camera of 1986.

Leica copies (they were made in the Soviet Union, Germany, Japan, Austria, England, Italy, China, the USA and probably other countries.

Canon postwar screw-mount rangefinder 35s: From the landmark Canon S II of 1946 to the last of the breed, the Canon 7sZ of 1967.

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The Yashica YF: It's an M3-ish Leica copy made by Nicca, a small Japanese manufacturer of rangefinder 35s that was folded into Yashica.

Where to buy collectible cameras?

Several reputable online retailers specialize in used cameras. Popular options include MPB, KEH Camera, B&H Photo, and Adorama. These retailers offer a range of used cameras, lenses, and other photography equipment, with detailed descriptions and often warranties or satisfaction guarantees. In addition, platforms like eBay, Etsy, and Facebook Marketplace can offer good deals, but require more due diligence in researching the individual seller’s satisfaction record and ascertaining the item's condition.

Platforms with extensive Used Camera Listings:
eBay

eBay is the world’s largest online auction and selling site with a huge variety of used camera listings. Bidding is a lot more competitive, and fees are higher than they were in the “good old days” 25-35 years ago, but it’s still hands down the best place for finding collectible cameras as well as outstanding sellers. Savvy buying on eBay requires careful seller vetting and thorough inspection of the item's condition. Avoid buying As Is and non-returnable items unless you’re prepared to take a loss.

Facebook Marketplace.

Facebook Marketplace is another option for finding used cameras, but it's crucial to meet in person to examine the camera before purchasing.

Reputable Online Retailers:

MPB (https://www.mpb.com)

MPB is an online platform where photo enthusiasts can but, sell and trade used camera gear. It focuses exclusively on used photography equipment and offers a wide selection of cameras, lenses, and accessories. It’s known for its inspection process provide detailed condition assessments and offers secure transactions and a 14-day return window.

KEH Camera

KEH is another well-known retailer specializing in used camera equipment. They offer a large inventory and thorough inspection process, with a 180-day warranty on many items.

B&H Photo

B&H has a dedicated used department with a wide range of equipment. They provide detailed condition data ion what they sell and generally offer a 90-day warranty on used items,

Adorama

Adorama also has a well-stocked used department with a wide selection of photo equipment. They offer a 30-day satisfaction guarantee on used items, according to The New York Times.

Used Photo Pro

This well-established retailer specializes in used photography equipment and offers a range of cameras and lenses.

Things to Consider When Buying a Used Camera:

Physical Condition
Inspect the camera's body, lens, and other components for any signs of damage or wear.

History
Inquire about the camera's history, such as its previous owner, usage, and any repairs.

Warranty/Return Policy
When buying from a retailer, check their warranty and return policy, and if possible, verify it by reading published reports.

Seller Reputation
When buying from a platform like eBay, research the seller's feedback, reputation, and satisfaction rating

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The eternal American made 4x5 Speed Graphic was the most popular press camera of the '30's through the '50s. Yes, it's now a collectible.

What does AI have to say about why people collect things? We asked, and here’s AI’s amazing response:

People collect things for a variety of reasons, including nostalgia, the thrill of the hunt, emotional attachment, and personal identity. Collecting can also be a way to learn, relax, and find pleasure in the esthetic or historical value of objects. Some people collect as a form of social interaction, to complete sets, or as a means of asserting status or identity.

Here's a more detailed look at the motivations:

Emotional and Psychological Factors:
Nostalgia: Many collectors are drawn to objects that remind them of childhood or significant periods in their live
Emotional Attachment: Items can become cherished mementos of people, places, or experiences.
Identity and Self-Expression: Collecting can be a way to express personal interests, values, and individuality.
Need for Control and Order: Organizing and categorizing a collection can provide a sense of order and control in a person's life.
Sense of Community: Collecting can foster connections with other enthusiasts through shared interests and experiences.
Relaxation and Stress Reduction: The act of collecting can be a calming and enjoyable hobby.

Other Motivations:

The Thrill of the Hunt:
The search for rare or unique items can be an exciting and rewarding experience.

Knowledge and Learning:
Collectors often develop in-depth knowledge about the objects they collect.

Esthetic Appeal:
Many collections are built around objects that are visually appealing or beautiful.

Investment:
Some collections, like art or antiques, can be seen as a potential financial investment.

Completing Sets:
The desire to finish a collection, like a set of stamps or trading cards, can be a strong motivator.
 
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It certainly does! The No2 model F is my favourite for results long body so great DoF, but I do need to shoot in glasses now I am getting longsighted. Wouldn't mind finding a No2 Portrait Brownie, though...

ETA: the red one at the back and the two underneath it are all No2 Model Fs (the metal version), there's a cardboard Model E in there as well, and I've just gained anotherI

I guess my specialty is propaganda aka persuasive images aka advertisements.
I may not have many Leica promotional materials to spice up my collection, but of all things, I've got FED covered:
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IMHO this 1889 ad for "The Kodak" introduced in 1888 is still the greatest camera ad of all time. The copy was probably written by George Eastman himself and is a testament to his marketing genius.

By the way, the original price of $25 is equivalent to $845.96 today!

 
IMHO This 1889 ad for "The Kodak" introduced in 1888 is still the greatest camera ad of all time. The copy was probably written by George Eastman himself and is a testament to his marketing genius. By the way, the original price of $25 is equivalent to $845.96 today!You_press_the_button,_we_do_the_rest_(Kodak).jpg
 
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Oooh, did you say Foca, Rick? I have one that I can't get the top off as there isn't a screw where there should be one. If you'll excuse the pun, it's a bit of a Foca! It is, I think, a PF2 - of you have any experience with that model, can I pick your brain please?
I never claimed that camera collecting itself is "rational," only that it can be more fulfilling if you define your objectives beforehand.
 
Well done, Jason. I think this kind of sums it up for me:

"Nevertheless, it soon became clear that the cameras themselves were the objects of my desire. They were technological works of art that embodied all the brilliance and follies of their human creators, and possessing and fondling them gave me a visceral sense of joy."
 
This aside from me may be of interest - even relevant.

I've collected cameras since 1962 when I bought my first TLR (a Yashica D). By 2000 I had 60+ - which I now regard as a small collection compared to a few others here.

The 'secrets' to my having successfully brought my collecting (= hoarding) cameras are the following three.

1 I usually buy and sell, usually for what I paid for them or too often a little less. Hello Ebay! Which quickly took the gloss off my collecting, there being no better cure for turning off on something than to be losing $$$ on it.

2 Bearing in mind the previous point, I've not usually put much $$$ in my impulse camera purchases other than a few Rolleiflexes (all in near-mint condition) and two Leicas, an M2 and a mint-condition M3 I briefly owned in the '80s, and used and greatly loved, and sadly had to sell when my architecture practice hit a low point in a recession and I urgently needed money to pay office rent and salaries. I've missed those Leicas, and I still kick myself for having parted with them. But needs must.

3 Since the mid-'00s when I realised my 'hoard' had reached an out-of-control level, I made a firm rule to use each and every camera I owned at least THREE TIMES every year. I also disposed of most of my 60 on Ebay and by private sales, and happily even made a small profit on the entire lot. I now have only 15 cameras (which my SO regards as about three times too many.)

Rule 3 especially helped me to bring my collecting urge under control.
 
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I've been through all the stages of collecting cameras in one fashion or another. I had some Nikons for everyday and commercial use. Then when I started to get interested in using other formats, I'd get one or two cameras to cover that range. I used cameras from 16mm to 4x5 while in this phase.

Twenty years ago, I decided to make up a kit based on the Canon Pellix for my oldest brother because that was what he had back in the late sixties and his had gotten ruined in a house fire. I got some of the lenses and accessories but discovered that most of the Pellix cameras were now junk due to mirror deterioration, so I upgraded the kit to an FTB. Then I found out that with the FTBn the battery was updated to an alkaline, so I changed the main camera to that. Later still, before I had the chance to give him the kit, I discovered the AE line of bodies and did a complete redo of the kit to an AE-1 Program with all FDn lenses. Now while doing all this, I not only wound up with all the older stuff, but in order to get a particular lens or body I had to accept whatever came attached to it, so there were a lot of extras that led me to complete three separate Canon kits from all the leftovers and a couple of pieces to complete the accessories. I really liked what I had assembled as they worked fine, and the glass was mostly great.

This led me down the road to other camera systems that I had not used before, such as Minolta (found an X-700, three lenses, and a flash in a Goodwill for $10), Olympus (a friend was sending me cameras he was cleaning out of his basement once a month and in the second shipment I got two bodies with lenses), Contax/Yashica (I loved the thought of cheap Zeiss lenses because of the mount) and so on. I had a bad habit (actually, I have never gotten over it) of making a full kit for every brand I bought so I could see if I really could like using them a lot. Found out there are hits and misses in every camera system, so eventually I went back to my Nikons, expanding into the rangefinder system and filling in some gaps in the F line (I stopped at the F3). But I never got rid of all the other kits.

Along the way I would come across an odd or rare camera or lens that I felt was interesting enough to investigate. I bought a lot of P&S cameras for $1-$3 at the charity shops to see which ones had good lenses. I got into some cameras because of nostalgia (Ricoh in particular), and some fixed lens rangefinders just because they looked really great and I could CLA them into working order. And then there is what I call the fauxtography stuff, things that look like cameras but aren't. Cameras that came in different colors. Ones that were made under different brand names but came from the same molds (a lot of plastic fantastic Hong Kong and China models). And cameras that had advertising, or brand promotional logos on them. All the stuff mentioned in this paragraph was just for the sake of collecting, I didn't care if they worked (a big bonus if they did though).

Unless I wanted to start a camera museum, it was inevitable that I would eventually have to begin the process of getting rid of the excess. Some of them I have taken to the camera museum in Staunton, VA. I plan on selling a few kits here on RFF because it would be a shame to break them up. Some I plan on giving to folks I know that would appreciate them. The rest will start their trip to Atlanta via KEH. But hey, I had a great time gathering all this stuff that I could at a moment's notice grab and head out the door with a roll or two of film and have a fun day. Now it's time for someone else to get that same kind of feeling.

PF
 
If you’re still looking for one!
Thanks but I am over it now, the treatment worked but has left me with about 70 French clockwork 8mm movie cameras.
 
Fortunately, while Kwanon was a no-show, it was followed up by the Hansa-Canon, represented in my collection by a scale model offered by Canon during the pandemic.
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Well done, Jason. I think this kind of sums it up for me:

"Nevertheless, it soon became clear that the cameras themselves were the objects of my desire. They were technological works of art that embodied all the brilliance and follies of their human creators, and possessing and fondling them gave me a visceral sense of joy."
Thanks very much for your kind words. It’s gratifying that my words resonated with you.
 
I used to have a more wide-ranging collection of cameras and lenses, but decided to concentrate largely on Canon and Contax stuff. I gave away my early Nikon F, Konica Auto-Reflex and Pentax Spotmatic and H1a and associated lenses. I also dispensed with the various trigger-wind Canons, which I found to be heavy and cumbersome. No regrets, excepts for the Konica 57/1.2 which i shoulda kept. While I have reduced the brands of cameras I have, I have added to the number of lenses in LTM and Contax mount, with the occasional M42 as well; I just love the Mir 24M. I also like the CZJ 58/2 Biotars and the Helios 44-4 even though they have swirly backgrounds wide open, although not as distracting as the Summitar in my opinion
 
I used to have a more wide-ranging collection of cameras and lenses, but decided to concentrate largely on Canon and Contax stuff. I gave away my early Nikon F, Konica Auto-Reflex and Pentax Spotmatic and H1a and associated lenses. I also dispensed with the various trigger-wind Canons, which I found to be heavy and cumbersome. No regrets, excepts for the Konica 57/1.2 which i shoulda kept. While I have reduced the brands of cameras I have, I have added to the number of lenses in LTM and Contax mount, with the occasional M42 as well; I just love the Mir 24M. I also like the CZJ 58/2 Biotars and the Helios 44-4 even though they have swirly backgrounds wide open, although not as distracting as the Summitar in my opinion
I’ll admit that I haven’t shot with my 50mm f/2 Summitar lately, but I cannot agree that it delivers “distracting and swirly bokeh” at its maximum aperture. Almost all vintage Leica lenses I’ve shot with deliver “pleasing, rounded bokeh” at their widest apertures and IMHO the Summitar is no exception.
 
I’ll admit that I haven’t shot with my 50mm f/2 Summitar lately, but I cannot agree that it delivers “distracting and swirly bokeh” at its maximum aperture. Almost all vintage Leica lenses I’ve shot with deliver “pleasing, rounded bokeh” at their widest apertures and IMHO the Summitar is no exception.
It's a personal preference, like differences of opinion on wine. I absolutely loathe wine, with the exception of a decent French champagne. One of my favorite travel memories is of a Thai Airlines first-class lounge in Bangkok that had a selection of four Veuve Clicquot sparkling wines. That was cool.
 
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It's a personal preference, like differences of opinion on wine. I absolutely loathe wine, with the exception of a decent French champagne. One of my favorite travel memories is of a Thai Airlines first-class lounge in Bangkok that had a selection of four Veuve Cliquot sparkling wines. That was cool.
 
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It's a personal preference, like differences of opinion on wine. I absolutely loathe wine, with the exception of a decent French champagne. One of my favorite travel memories is of a Thai Airlines first-class lounge in Bangkok that had a selection of four Veuve Cliquot sparkling wines. That was cool.
De gustibus non est disputandum
 
After having amassed collections of cameras off and on over the last forty-five or so years, I’m now on the liquidation side of it.
You may be done with GAS, but is GAS done with you? 😅

It might just be a random or seasonal blip in the market that I'm seeing, but last night while browsing a well-known auction site, I was seeing some pretty tempting Buy It Now prices on higher-end items!
 
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