knstflx
Member
I'm looking for recommended dilution and developing times for tri-x shot at 800 developed in hc-110. I've done a search and have found a variety of opinions so I'm hoping someone can convince me. I've only developed a handful of rolls at home (with several mishaps) so I'd like something simple.
I'd like to use dilution H if possible but found drastically different advice when I searched. Someone said this:
Tri-x 400 @800: Dilution 1/64 20C 17min, agitation; 3 inversion every 2 min.
Someone else said 20C 12 mins. Maybe it doesn't make that big a difference?
I'd like to use dilution H if possible but found drastically different advice when I searched. Someone said this:
Tri-x 400 @800: Dilution 1/64 20C 17min, agitation; 3 inversion every 2 min.
Someone else said 20C 12 mins. Maybe it doesn't make that big a difference?
maclaine
Well-known
I tried this a little while ago using the recommendations from the Massive Dev Chart and it worked out perfectly.
Presoak for 3 minutes
10 minutes in Dilution E
23C
4 inversions every 30 seconds
The results, if the negative is properly exposed, are almost indistinguishable from shooting at 400 and developing with Dilution H. Acceptable grain (for Tri-X) and very sharp. No major loss of detail in either the highlights or shadows.
This is the only example I have at the moment of this film and development combo, but you can see the grain is good, and there is plenty of separation in the tones from almost full black (the glasses) to white (the out of focus lights in the background), and there's lots of detail in all the tones everywhere in between.
Presoak for 3 minutes
10 minutes in Dilution E
23C
4 inversions every 30 seconds
The results, if the negative is properly exposed, are almost indistinguishable from shooting at 400 and developing with Dilution H. Acceptable grain (for Tri-X) and very sharp. No major loss of detail in either the highlights or shadows.
This is the only example I have at the moment of this film and development combo, but you can see the grain is good, and there is plenty of separation in the tones from almost full black (the glasses) to white (the out of focus lights in the background), and there's lots of detail in all the tones everywhere in between.
knstflx
Member
that looks pretty good. maybe i'll give that a try. presoak in tap water? is that an important step? i'm a novice here...
spyder2000
Dim Bulb
I recommend dilution H as well. I'd go for 12 minutes @ 20C. One inversion each minute.
Assuming normally lit scenes and the tolerance of Tri-X your negatives will be fine. If you need more shadow detail at the expense of highlights detail, extend this time by 2 minutes.
Assuming normally lit scenes and the tolerance of Tri-X your negatives will be fine. If you need more shadow detail at the expense of highlights detail, extend this time by 2 minutes.
maclaine
Well-known
Yeah, I just did it in my bathroom. It was about as scientific as I could make it, which, of course, was not very much at all, and it worked out just fine.
knstflx
Member
well, i probably should have listened to your advice but i ended up doing something different. it's just that my tap water was 75F and i was doing two rolls so mixing 630 ml water with 10 ml hc-110 was so easy. so i followed this guy's advice because he had that same combo of temp and dilution:
http://www.mironchuk.com/hc-110.html
he recommends 12.5 mins in dilution H at 75F, minimal agitation. i agitated not too much but probably more than him so i did a little under 12 mins. anyways, they turned out okay but pretty grainy. i'll post one.
http://www.mironchuk.com/hc-110.html
he recommends 12.5 mins in dilution H at 75F, minimal agitation. i agitated not too much but probably more than him so i did a little under 12 mins. anyways, they turned out okay but pretty grainy. i'll post one.
knstflx
Member
the others are actually grainier than this one but you get the idea. low light, lens wide open. but even the ones outside in the bright light were grainy.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
The grain is not unpleasant for this particular shot. Gradation looks super! And you definitely nailed the focus!
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Another thought: I'd like to see this same shot done with Tri-X at 800 again, but this time using XTOL. I think it would be better for this purpose.
knstflx
Member
that definitely was the best of the lot. and i don't mind that grain at all actually. here's more of the intense grain i was talking about. i'm just wondering what i would change about my developing process to get a finer grain, if it's possible.
like if i was working with dilution h, at 75F, would i shorten the time? do even less agitation? or should i change those factors as well? i think for the time being i'm going to stick with hc-110 since i am just getting started learning this and would like to get comfortable with it first.
like if i was working with dilution h, at 75F, would i shorten the time? do even less agitation? or should i change those factors as well? i think for the time being i'm going to stick with hc-110 since i am just getting started learning this and would like to get comfortable with it first.
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
I shot Tri-x in 800 about a month ago while overseas.
The development times were HC-110 Dilution B at 8.5mins.
The camera used was the Olympus XA
The development times were HC-110 Dilution B at 8.5mins.
The camera used was the Olympus XA
benlees
Well-known
I shot a lot of Tri-X (120) at 800 with HC-110 dilution H last summer. 20c and 11 minutes turned out well.
knstflx
Member
how much did you both agitate?
also, raytoei, what temp did you develop at?
also, raytoei, what temp did you develop at?
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
Hi,
Agitation is :
Initial 10 inversions in 30 seconds
Subsequent 2 inversions every 30 seconds
The temp is 20c for the above.
I try to be consistent across my development, while kodak recommends every 30 sec agitate for 5 seconds, I choose 2 inversions ie. 6 seconds.
Agitation is :
Initial 10 inversions in 30 seconds
Subsequent 2 inversions every 30 seconds
The temp is 20c for the above.
I try to be consistent across my development, while kodak recommends every 30 sec agitate for 5 seconds, I choose 2 inversions ie. 6 seconds.
benlees
Well-known
45 secs to start then 8-10 seconds every minute, in general. I am not the most diligent person in terms of being step-by-step accurate all the time. One of the reasons I prefer Tri-X.
