robklurfield
eclipse
I'm curious what soup, if any, folks have used successfully with stand or semi-stand development. I wondering also what film stocks you've used. I've had nice results with Rodinal and various Neopan stock as well as with Kodak 400CN. Are there any other developers that area susceptible to stand development???
Why you ask? I'm lazy. I hate agitation. My agitating technique stinks (I get streaking from sprocket perfs regularly). And, I think that stand has been, for me anyway, relatively idiot-proof.
If you've had good results with other developers, please share tips and secrets here. I'm assuming if no one is doing this with developers besides Rodinal and similar compounds (Adonal, etc.) that there must be some chemical reason why, so if that's the case, please share that info, too.
Why you ask? I'm lazy. I hate agitation. My agitating technique stinks (I get streaking from sprocket perfs regularly). And, I think that stand has been, for me anyway, relatively idiot-proof.
If you've had good results with other developers, please share tips and secrets here. I'm assuming if no one is doing this with developers besides Rodinal and similar compounds (Adonal, etc.) that there must be some chemical reason why, so if that's the case, please share that info, too.
Tim Gray
Well-known
Most of the streaking 'from sprocket holes' that I've seen is in fact due to too little agitation.
That being said, I've done 1 hour stand development in XTOL 1:3. I did it with TMZ. It didn't appear to do anything magical, some compensation on the highlights, and was grainier than XTOL 1:1. However it did develop the film to a higher contrast in the midtones and shadows than development for EI 3200 in XTOL 1:1 with normal agitation. I don't have a densitometer so I don't have any examples of what it really did to the curve. I got some streaking in the stand stuff, especially at EIs lower than 3200. I'd say somewhere around EI 3200-4000 would be good, but honestly, it didn't look any better than normal dev at 1:1. I might play around with it more at some point...
That being said, I've done 1 hour stand development in XTOL 1:3. I did it with TMZ. It didn't appear to do anything magical, some compensation on the highlights, and was grainier than XTOL 1:1. However it did develop the film to a higher contrast in the midtones and shadows than development for EI 3200 in XTOL 1:1 with normal agitation. I don't have a densitometer so I don't have any examples of what it really did to the curve. I got some streaking in the stand stuff, especially at EIs lower than 3200. I'd say somewhere around EI 3200-4000 would be good, but honestly, it didn't look any better than normal dev at 1:1. I might play around with it more at some point...
LeicaM3
Well-known
HC110
Love Neopan400/APX100/Acros/EFKE25 in Rodinal stand
TriX - not so much.
So I used HC110 stand with TriX for a while.
Then I switched to Neopan400 which I liked better, and so that I could use Rodinal again.
Now Neopan400 is disappearing and I might have to back to TriX...
Love Neopan400/APX100/Acros/EFKE25 in Rodinal stand
TriX - not so much.
So I used HC110 stand with TriX for a while.
Then I switched to Neopan400 which I liked better, and so that I could use Rodinal again.
Now Neopan400 is disappearing and I might have to back to TriX...
LeicaM3
Well-known
Oh, agree with Tim re: sprocket holes - too little
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Brian Legge
Veteran
...or too much liquid, to the point where agitation doesn't really move anything around. I stopped having issues once I started using a tank twice as large as the film and only filling it half way. I do slow inversions though so that may help with respect to bubbles and other issues which this could cause.
charjohncarter
Veteran
HC-110: I use Ansel's semi-stand and I do it with TriX. I never had uneven development as I've had many times with Rodinal.
jpberger
Established
rodinol xtol combined semi stand is really fantastic with t-grain films
robklurfield
eclipse
what would happen if one used something like TMax developer or Perceptol? would it cause problems?
robklurfield
eclipse
Stand in Perceptol? TMax? Anyone?
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
seriously, I have no idea what Walmart uses.
robklurfield
eclipse
35mmdelux, am I missing something here? Walmart? What's the connection?
wpb
Well-known
Edwal FG7.
neelin
Established
What dilution HC110?
ChrisN
Striving
I've used Ilford LC29 at 1+100. Agree the earlier comments about lack of agitation causing the streaking. I've had excellent results with times in the 20-30 minutre range and normal agitation (4 inversions) every 5 minutes.
wintoid
Back to film
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
wintoid, excellent image. i am a newbie to pyro, which pyro did you use stand development with ?
raytoei
raytoei
LeicaM3
Well-known
- 1:100
- 60 minutes
- 5 slow inversions over first seconds
- tap to eliminate bubbles
- stand
In contrast to Rodinal, I have had no problems with uneven development with 120 film in a 500ml tank. I don't do an inversion after 30 min as I do with Rodinal.
Never had problems with 35 film for either.
Like Rodinal look a bit better for 100 film (acros/max/foma), still need to try the hc110/rodinal mix
randomm
Well-known
Microphen semi-stand. 80-90ml fresh stock + 210-220ml water at ~19 Celsius per film (so that I'm roughly at ~20 Celsius with the mixture). Five inversions at start, tap to eliminate bubbles. 5 inversions and taps at 20 and 40 minute marks. I do this to push Trix, Neopan 400 and HP5+ to 800 ASA... Seems to work alright, but still experimenting...
alas by randomm, on Flickr
alas by randomm, on Flickr
Arvay
Obscurant
Pyrocat (any 100 or 400 by nominal)
Xtol
Xtol
robklurfield
eclipse
randomm and wintoid, those are some beautiful images. everyone, thanks for sharing these tips. anyone else?