wjlapier
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F6 vs F100? Or some other cheaper plastic Nikon AF camera?
I love my ala carte M7 that I've done as much as I can do to make it unique and mine. I'm not sure I could do that with a R3m, nor would I want to.
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F6 vs F100? Or some other cheaper plastic Nikon AF camera?
I love my ala carte M7 that I've done as much as I can do to make it unique and mine. I'm not sure I could do that with a R3m, nor would I want to.
mani
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Because the previously mass-market use of film has declined to a smaller (but still enormous) user base, Keith makes the assumption that therefore new MP owners are not putting film through their cameras.
My point is that there's no possible way that we can know whether that's true, as the contribution to film sales would be infinitesimally small in relation to the overall total.
And from my experience, people are putting plenty film through their new film M cameras. I stupidly sold my new M7 a couple years ago, because I thought I was going back to digital. Luckily I could afford to buy a few more film Ms since then (which I'm heartily thankful for), and use them all the time now, alongside my digital cameras.
Like I said, 'traditional' digital cameras will be the first to go, when the mass-market evaporates.
huntjump
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haha i agree and found this hilarious.
AndySig
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Now that, sir, is a very perceptive point and it certainly had never occurred to me. It seems to me that the vast majority of camera sales were always to happy snappers who got their camera out probably twice a year. They are likely to have their needs exactly met by phone cams. So it is probably more viable to compare sales of "serious" digital cameras with film camera sales which one can presume to nowadays all to be for "serious" film cameras.
nobbylon
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Coming from you Keith who has just bought an F6 when an F100 would have done the same job I find this statement hilarious.
Don't get irked, let others spend how they like. I personally wouldn't have wasted cash on an F6 when an F5 or F100 can do the same so I wasted my own cash on another MP even though my M6's do the same 🙂
dave lackey
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Cool...the best part about that is, in a few (lots?) years, the trickle-down effect will have the 2012 MP available at a much more affordable price for me.😎
I love to dream about new stuff but I thoroughly enjoy buying used as long as the product purchased is quality and in good shape.🙂
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robklurfield
eclipse
Better to wear out an MP than to wear out your teeth.😀 Stop gnashing. The good news is that someday some of those new MPs will become used MPs with a scratch here and there to lower the price so I can afford one.
Freakscene
Obscure member
I put 250 rolls of film through my MP last year. It will be fewer in 2011 because work has been very busy and my travels have been more work dominated. All I can see so far is a little cosmetic wear - unlike my M7 which is back with leica right now and is as reliable as something not very reliable at all.
I will post a full report here and at the LuG when it wears out. Seriously.
Marty
I will post a full report here and at the LuG when it wears out. Seriously.
Marty
thegf
Established
you're probably the first guy to use Leica and hotdog in the same sentence, let alone compare the two. well done.
dave lackey
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I think I understand where Keith is coming from because he and I both want an MP! I have always wanted a Porsche 911 but could only afford MG cars.:angel:
Boy, just seeing people buying 911's over the years to park in the garage with their Lambos and such really was a downer for me, working hard all those years and never quite able to get one. Man, I really lusted for one....Not anymore. I can buy the same 911 (used of course) for reasonable money nowdays (if I had a job) but the desire is gone.
I would love to have an MP for it is an MP after all! And a fraction of the cost of a 911. Don't think there will be enough years left in me to douse the flame of desire for THAT German product!😛 Will never be able to afford one, I suppose. So, I will soldier on with the M3.
Boy, just seeing people buying 911's over the years to park in the garage with their Lambos and such really was a downer for me, working hard all those years and never quite able to get one. Man, I really lusted for one....Not anymore. I can buy the same 911 (used of course) for reasonable money nowdays (if I had a job) but the desire is gone.
I would love to have an MP for it is an MP after all! And a fraction of the cost of a 911. Don't think there will be enough years left in me to douse the flame of desire for THAT German product!😛 Will never be able to afford one, I suppose. So, I will soldier on with the M3.
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
cosmonaut
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I just got a new B&H catalog in and there is two pages of film listed for sell, a couple of pages of paper ect, a couple for darkroom equipment. Cameras for sell were the MP,M7, Poloroid, Holga, Vivitar, Lomography, some horizon camera and I am sure I am missing something. More pages than Olympus had up.
Roger Hicks
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Dear Keith,
Hardly. There are, after all, other film cameras than Leicas. If every single Leica user shot 500 rolls a year, it would probably be a pretty small blip compared with the people who are not putting film through their Olympuses, Pentaxes, Fuji point-and-shoots....
Reverse your postulate, and it becomes clear that people are buying MPs because (1) they are among the few new, good-quality film cameras still being made and (2) they last; are reparable; and can handle heavy use. I'm not saying that this analysis is any more valid than yours -- just that both are at least equally defensible.
As for wanting to wear out an MP, why? This is a distressingly common viewpoint here on RFF: "I wanna buy an expensive new Leica and trash it." But a camera picks up more or less wear and tear as you use it: why try to wear it out? A fellow journalist once said of my MP, which has a fair number of honourable scars, "That is an ABUSED camera." Well, no, it's not. It's just a camera that has been used quite a lot.
Cheers,
R.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Not trash it Roger ... heavens no! 😱
Just put enough film through it that things do actually start to wear ... and I'm not talking about tastefully brassing the black paint!
I would love to see every Leica owner in the world put five hundred rolls a year through their cameras ... a lot more Tom A's in other words! 😀
Getting back to Dave's earlier comment of actually wanting an MP myself ... sure I'd love one but do I really need one. It would wind up sitting on the shelf a lot of the time while I took photos with my OM-1 ... an MP Leica deserves better than that because it's a serious RF shooter's dream and that was my point. 🙂
Pickett Wilson
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Leica M's are such objects of desire these days, I think there will still be a market for new MP's even after there is no film to put through them. These Leicas aren't toasters and will have perceived value long after they no longer serve their original purpose. They are incredibly lovely decorative pieces, you must admit! 😉
flip
良かったね！
I am content to let people buy for the wrong reasons if they support the right products. It makes it all the more likely that I can later get the right product used for the wrong price. 🙂 I don't see any other way of getting an MP.
AndySig
Established
500 rolls a year is around ten rolls a week. During a busy photographic week I might get through three maybe four rolls. I reckon on a week when I am on holiday that might go up to six or seven. I'd have to be off work for a year and in some pretty damned photogenic places to meet the 500 target. Mind you, it would be nice to give it a try.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Sorry, Keith, I was just using your post to hang the comment on -- I fully understand what you mean. But you have to admit that an awful lot of people say things like 'I wanna shoot the cr*p out of it. I apologize for the hijacking.
Cheers,
R.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Reading this thread just motivated me to use my M4-P more.
I have zero desire to own an MP at their pricing level. Too many other interesting cameras to check out 🙂
I have zero desire to own an MP at their pricing level. Too many other interesting cameras to check out 🙂
I have to admit it... if I was completely committed to film, I think I would buy a MP. To me, it is just the ultimate Leica. However, the smarter move for me would just be to go M6. I'm not a fan of Leicas without meters....so the MP seems like an old school Leica with a meter.