Nex-7 a bridge too far....

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how many have seen this:
http://forum.photozone.de/index.php?/topic/1904-sony-nex-7/

http://forum.photozone.de/index.php?/topic/1992-sony-nex-7-2nd-sample-results/

nex-7 is looking more and more like a bridge too far :(

other reports suggest similar issues with alpha zooms and zeiss 85.

They told me and now I know: never trust an internet review. No one caught this.

"I'm next to giving up lens testing on the NEX 7 now.
This sensor seems to be totally unsuitable for testing lenses and, frankly, I consider it to be an epic failure"
Klaus, editor at photozone Yesterday
 
Looks like he got a replacement camera?

People could have (probably did) said similar things about the A900. At high ISO, it's probably noisier. But it had other advantages. If the Nex-7 doesn't handle wides as well as the Nex-5N, then people can decide whether or not to make that tradeoff. As for non-wides, I think we need more responses to draw any conclusions. Are all of the early adopters blind as well? They bought a camera with this kind of resolution but noone noticed problems? Weird mass hystaria! ;-)
 
uhoh7 said:
This sensor seems to be totally unsuitable for testing lenses
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Well, if that is his hobby, he might want another camera for it. The people I know that already have one seem to be relatively happy with theirs and its results. But then, they are not into testing lenses...
 
uhoh7 said:
"I'm next to giving up lens testing on the NEX 7 now.
This sensor seems to be totally unsuitable for testing lenses and, frankly, I consider it to be an epic failure"
Klaus, editor at photozone Yesterday
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But how is it for actual photography?
 
I think its to early to draw conclusions for Nex-7. However I must conclude that the lens/sensor combination is not trivial :bang:.

For the 5N i have done some comparisons (not published) with different Leica glass and the kit zoom. I have the problem of variations in results between photo series that I cannot pinpoint. I also would have liked to know more about what algoritms Sony are using for in-camera improvement for their own lenses, since it seems quite effective for their kit zoom.

P.S. these are real-world photo "tests".
 
jsrockit said:
But how is it for actual photography?
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inferior to the 5n in wide apertures with a bunch of lenses----if you don't care about your edges with your 50 lux @ f/1.4 it's no problem at all.

Go back to the LL n7 vs M9 samples and compare wide open. Was I the only one who threw up at those?

Or if you don't mind your ziess 85/1.4 going soft wide open, it's great.
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/34781-nex-7-problem-cz85.html



Why on earth have the best glass you can afford?
 
I think a lot of folks obsess about things like vignetting, corner sharpness, CA, etc. While those things may or may not be trivial, too many people forget that cameras are made for going out and making images, not shooting test shots of brick walls and cats.

If you don't like the NEX-7, don't keep it. If you don't like making photographs, find a hobby other than reviewing camera gear.
 
uhoh7 said:
inferior to the 5n in wide apertures with a bunch of lenses----if you don't care about your edges with your 50 lux @ f/1.4 it's no problem at all.

Go back to the LL n7 vs M9 samples and compare wide open. Was I the only one who threw up at those?

Or if you don't mind your ziess 85/1.4 going soft wide open, it's great.
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/34781-nex-7-problem-cz85.html



Why on earth have the best glass you can afford?
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Well, no very expensive glass here. My most expensive lens in the 50mm 2.5 Summarit. How does it work with slow lenses in the 28mm -50mm range?
 
jsrockit said:
Well, no very expensive glass here. My most expensive lens in the 50mm 2.5 Summarit. How does it work with slow lenses in the 28mm -50mm range?
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For only 1200 bucks, you can tell us. The 5n is safer bet at the moment, that's for sure.

Read the photozone threads. Some are having issues with the better alpha zooms, also.
 
I've had mine for about 2 weeks now and have been using it with some Leica/Zeiss M-mount glass and the Sony 18-200mm. In fact, I just posted some images taken over the weekend with the 18-200mm, you can see them here.

I like the way the NEX-7 feels, but there are some weird quirks that prevent me from immediately loving it. I'll continue to use it and see what happens, but I think it will make a nice addition to my kit for occasional use.

Two things I've really noticed often: there is more noise in the NEX-7 files than I anticipated, and need to use a faster shutter speed than I would with my M9 (usually 2-3x faster shutter speed). The noise isn't a problem, as LR3 and LR4 Beta do a good job on that.

Don't dismiss the NEX-7 yet. I think there is a lot of potential with it.

Jeff
www.pixelsandgrain.co
 
Teuthida said:
One hysterical amateur reviewer and the echo chamber of his gaggle of follwers does not a failure make.
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I'm not sure I'd disregard Photozone as a "hysterical amateur reviewer." Like them or not, they've been one of the more recognized lens test sites over the last several years.

Heck, I tried to warn everyone about this in the fall, when these issues were even obvious in pre-production NEX7 reviews that started showing up on the web. I'm not sure why I'd want to replace my CV 35/1.4 with a ZM 35/2, in order to improve sharpness across the frame, and then negate this by buying a NEX-7. :bang:

This is a very real issue noticeable in real photographs, and I cancelled my pre-order because of it. I shoot a CV 15, ZM 35/2, ZM 50/1.5 and Contax G 90 on the 5N, and I know that the CV 15 and ZM 35/2 will have issues on the NEX-7, and I'd bet my 50/1.5 would have issues to a lesser degree, as well. I'm going to slum it with my 5N until Sony addresses the issue in another NEX7-like camera body, or maybe if Ricoh makes a better EVF for the GXR M module.
 
You make a good point, Douglas. However, there are two additional issues this time, apart from those that you raised before regarding rangefinder lenses: (1) It seems that Sony's own E-mount lenses don't work as well as we thought on the 7, and (2) some retrofocal lenses, including those made by Sony themselves, and presumably also those from other manufacturers, appear not to work as well as hoped. Particularly (2) is a bit of a surprise. Possibly some, but not all, of this problem is fixable by tweaking the firmware, and I expect we'll see new firmware at some point in the future. Sony cannot be pleased that their own E- and A-mount lenses are not working so well on the 7. Nettar
 
Yeah, I'm aware that some e-mount and a-mount lenses may be affected as well. Not sure how a firmware fix could fix a hardware problem, though.
 
I think we just have a very very picky camera here, which, when everything is right can really deliver.

Latest is that the zm18 is good....after cornerfix :)
 
This all has a familiar ring from previous introductions of sensors that were more highly populated than before. Whatever (if anything) is wrong, it will surely not be the number of pixels. More pixels through the same lens will not in itself produce a less detailed picture. Much cheaper lenses produce great results (detail-wise at least) with sensors in compact cameras that are far more densely populated.
 
I do not own a SONY camera and I don't think I will ever own one. I think there are two completely different issues here.

If the NEX 7 does not handle M lenses well... so what? The camera was not designed or intended to be used with M optics. This is not SONY's fault. Anyone who bought a NEX 7 knew SONY made no promises whatsoever the sensor would deliver quality images with M lenses. If the NEX 5 does work well with M lenses, that is just a happy accident. Digital sesnors are not film. They are often designed to work with a specific optical formula.

If the NEX 7 underperforms with lenses SONY intended to be used with the E-mount, then this is a significant problem.
 
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