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seems like it anyway...quite a few have been in the classifeds lately...
i cannot help but wonder why?
i cannot help but wonder why?
so many m9s for sale...
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Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Maybe they're all trading up to the black and white version?
zvos1
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There is a lot of talk about M10 maybe current M9 owners don't want to take the hit when M10 is announced...
loquax ludens
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I doubt many people would sell an M9 to buy an MM, but they might possibly sell to buy a new D800 or two. If there is an increase in the rate of listings for M9 sales, I suspect the reason has more to do with the digital camera lifecycle. M9 owners may be trying to unload them before they lose too much value. The M9 was introduced nearly three years ago in September 2009, so they are nearing the end of their life, in digital terms.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Ha ... I just commented on this in another thread.
It's really noticable at the moment and I was wondering if people are getting their advertised price without too much trouble?
jky
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...was thinking of posting mine up in the classifieds - not because of a rumored M10 announcement but because of lack of use the past few months. I'm not keen on having unused cameras laying around.
On that note, it's still NOT in the classifieds.... Hmmm.
On that note, it's still NOT in the classifieds.... Hmmm.
denizg7
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I know M8 wasn't the most perfected digital rf entrance leica made but if they continue updating digital m's (which is a good thing) they are soon going to run out of M names and to be honest M13 doesn't sound that nice
hopefully they'l come to to their senses and call it's name by the number of generation it's placed in.
having said that film m's are the way to go, if digital m's can't stop digital rot no digital camera can
hopefully they'l come to to their senses and call it's name by the number of generation it's placed in.
having said that film m's are the way to go, if digital m's can't stop digital rot no digital camera can
Vincent.G
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I see the same thing happening to any M cameras too, Joe. 🙂
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loquax ludens
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There is no stopping digital rot. At least, not until digital photography is surpassed by something new, and digital technology development ceases.
jky
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Honestly... kids & work. Work is busy which affords little time for picture taking...And with respect to kids, it's just nice to point then shoot ( and yes I understand it's just as easy with zone focusing - yada, yada). Auto everything with those nice LCDs on the back is where I'm at at this point - m43 suits this for me.
I must also add that although I'm not waiting for the M10, gone are the days one can keep a camera body for years with only a little hit on the wallet. Unfortunately, the longer it sits, the less ($) it'll be.
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
How far can digital technology go? Leica are obviously going to get few miles out of the monochrom but without totally re-designing their M platform the most they can really do at the moment is put a better sensor in the camera they are currently selling to keep it in the ISO stakes. The majority of digital M users don't really seem to want too many bells and whistles but they'd happily accept a clean (ish) 6400 ISO performance.
I look at the files out of my RD-1 with it's ten year old sensor and wonder why I'd ever need anything better ... I don't print large images and I love the files it produces. More so than any digicam I've owned and that includes my just purchased OMD!
I look at the files out of my RD-1 with it's ten year old sensor and wonder why I'd ever need anything better ... I don't print large images and I love the files it produces. More so than any digicam I've owned and that includes my just purchased OMD!
Godfrey
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For me, the M9 is simply good enough to last a long while.
I tend to always buy at the trailing edge of the top line anyway, got my 2003 E-1 in early 2008 just after the E-3 was available ... I'm still shooting with it. Still shooting with the Ricoh GXR too. I'd like an X2: perhaps next year.
No reason to retire excellent cameras so quickly other than the evil influence of marketing spin.
Why are there so many M9s for sale? See "evil marketing spin" as above. 🙂
I tend to always buy at the trailing edge of the top line anyway, got my 2003 E-1 in early 2008 just after the E-3 was available ... I'm still shooting with it. Still shooting with the Ricoh GXR too. I'd like an X2: perhaps next year.
No reason to retire excellent cameras so quickly other than the evil influence of marketing spin.
Why are there so many M9s for sale? See "evil marketing spin" as above. 🙂
seakayaker1
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Since the announcement of the M9M there have been six or seven people who have either paid in full or put down a deposit for the B&W camera at the local store. There was an abundance of used Leica Lens and other equipment traded in, including a Notilux towards the M9M. There is interest out there for the camera. Not sure why everyone is selling but a lot of folks are interested and some just like to have the latest gear available.
Not heard of anyone trading in for a D800 but when it comes to GAS anything can happen.
I know have no plans for mine to go away but anything can happen.
Not heard of anyone trading in for a D800 but when it comes to GAS anything can happen.
I know have no plans for mine to go away but anything can happen.
rxmd
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I think Leica's marketing strategy is to try and establish digital B&W photography as a new field with its own laws of progress, so as to be immune from the endless comparisons with other, more progressive camera makers.
This will allow them to get more mileage out of their own outdated technology, similar to how their rangefinder marketing has worked in the past.
So far it seems this strategy is working, judging by the reviews and online opinions about how this is a new thing entirely and how clean 6400 ISO from the M9M are something substantially different from clean 6400 ISO from the Fuji X100.
astro8
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Like you Keith, I was toying with the idea of an M9. I can afford one, but I honestly prefer the files out of my R-D1, even compared to the MMonochrom.
I run 5' and 6' large format printers all day long but I never print anything over 8"x12" for myself.
I'm just not interested. There's no novelty in large prints for me.
I'm sticking with my R-D1, it's just too much fun and the output is one of a kind. When it breaks, I'll get it fixed or I'll toss it and find another for a few hundred bucks.
On another note.....I just now had delivered a box of developing chemicals and odds and ends to press my M2's into action...more fun for me!
Of course, YMMV. 🙂
jgeenen
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The more M9 have been manufactured and sold, the more you will find on the used marked. It is as simple as that.
rxmd
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Eventually, yes, but the supply side won't explain why are people starting to sell them right now, all at once, which is the core of the question IMHO.
coelacanth
Ride, dive, shoot.
I for one, took advantage of current trend and got a used but not abused one-owner M9 for a good price. (Leica took care of re-registration over email like nothing, btw)
Loved M8.2, tried X-Pro1, but M8.2 won. "most RF like experience" is not RF experience. M8, M9 and R-D1 series are the only the real RF digitals out there. Not that X-Pro1 was a bad camera. It was one heck of a camera. But M8.2 won my heart.
Since I let go of M8.2 anyway, the desire to get M9 grew stronger. I didn't care for the future M10 or better high ISO performance of newer cameras. I took almost exclusively B&W on M8.2 and I was happy with the photos it produced. I have a 30x20 print from M8.2 in my living room and it looks real nice. What bothered me was 1.33 crop factor. I wanted to use the lenses I like at the focal length I wanted. 50mm frame lines were horrible IMHO on M8.2. "x1.33" bothered me. It was so close, but not quite. I got 75mm lens to get closer to 90mm FOV I liked.
I don't know the reason for those M9s for sale. Maybe Monochrom, maybe people trying to get most money back before M10. Maybe X-Pro1. But I think M9 will remain as a totally capable digital rangefinder for years to come just like R-D1 and M8 have been. It's not for everyone, but for people preferring digital rangefinder, all R-D1, M8 and M9 will be loved as long as they work, or some cases, as long as they can be serviced.
It is a lot of money even at today's going price. But I have absolutely no plan of upgrading to M10 or anything new until I can't reasonably service the M9. (maybe I'll have to sell it one day for whatever other reasons, but that's another story) I don't buy cameras with resell value in mind (yes I gutted MP), but it's not bad even in 2-3 years time the used price comes down to where M8 is now. I've got 2-3 years worth of photos out of it. M9 can co-exist with film Ms, using the same lenses at the same FOV.
I don't think I'll be able to buy a brand new Leica body or lens for any foreseeable future. The more people selling M9, the more people like me can get their hands on one second hand. So I'd say yay to the trend.
Loved M8.2, tried X-Pro1, but M8.2 won. "most RF like experience" is not RF experience. M8, M9 and R-D1 series are the only the real RF digitals out there. Not that X-Pro1 was a bad camera. It was one heck of a camera. But M8.2 won my heart.
Since I let go of M8.2 anyway, the desire to get M9 grew stronger. I didn't care for the future M10 or better high ISO performance of newer cameras. I took almost exclusively B&W on M8.2 and I was happy with the photos it produced. I have a 30x20 print from M8.2 in my living room and it looks real nice. What bothered me was 1.33 crop factor. I wanted to use the lenses I like at the focal length I wanted. 50mm frame lines were horrible IMHO on M8.2. "x1.33" bothered me. It was so close, but not quite. I got 75mm lens to get closer to 90mm FOV I liked.
I don't know the reason for those M9s for sale. Maybe Monochrom, maybe people trying to get most money back before M10. Maybe X-Pro1. But I think M9 will remain as a totally capable digital rangefinder for years to come just like R-D1 and M8 have been. It's not for everyone, but for people preferring digital rangefinder, all R-D1, M8 and M9 will be loved as long as they work, or some cases, as long as they can be serviced.
It is a lot of money even at today's going price. But I have absolutely no plan of upgrading to M10 or anything new until I can't reasonably service the M9. (maybe I'll have to sell it one day for whatever other reasons, but that's another story) I don't buy cameras with resell value in mind (yes I gutted MP), but it's not bad even in 2-3 years time the used price comes down to where M8 is now. I've got 2-3 years worth of photos out of it. M9 can co-exist with film Ms, using the same lenses at the same FOV.
I don't think I'll be able to buy a brand new Leica body or lens for any foreseeable future. The more people selling M9, the more people like me can get their hands on one second hand. So I'd say yay to the trend.
