jsrockit
Moderator
That's how it was for me... well, that and the M9 wasn't my main camera anymore. I'm not paid enough to have a M9 as a backup.
so many m9s for sale...
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That's how it was for me... well, that and the M9 wasn't my main camera anymore. I'm not paid enough to have a M9 as a backup.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
That would be a strategy of "dump it before the next one rolls around", which seems more like an investment strategy than something you'd do with your tools.
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Nikon Bob
Guest
I think you are on to something with that line of thought.
I was wondering why I had the impression that there were a lot of M9s for sale lately also. I think it is a combination of many of the things already stated in this thread, new gear already out or on the immediate horizon, not using it much, not wanting to pay for expensive repairs after the warranty is out and not wanting to take anymore of a hit in depreciation than has already happened. Still puzzles me why anyone ever thought a digital M would not depreciate like other digital cameras. They seem to have depreciated at the same rate as the others and 30% of 7 grand is a lot more than 30% of $3400.00.
Bob
-JQ-
Member
All my fault. Ive been doing a cheap m9 dance during full moons. 🙂
Thank me or blame me, but im going to buy one once my.spell gets them just a bit lower.
I do plan to make money with it too...the images I mean.
You are welcome!
Thank me or blame me, but im going to buy one once my.spell gets them just a bit lower.
I do plan to make money with it too...the images I mean.
You are welcome!
Keep dancing for me!
boomguy57
Well-known
That is what has prevented my from making the leap, ultimately.
Paul Luscher
Well-known
Re "digital rot," as mentioned above:
I wonder how much of this is in our minds. After all, unless there's actual physical damage or malfunction, the innards of those "digitally rotten" cameras work perfectly fine. Mr. Rockwell, in the linked article, mentions trading up in one case because the newer camera had "better resolution."
Perhaps, but the question might be whether he actually needed better resolution, or whether it was just the appeal of something "newer and better." I strongly suspect that a lot of what goes on is that we feel (maybe due to advertising?) that we must have the "newest and best," and suddenly our old camera seems dated and no good, even though it works as well as before and still produces great images....
And at a certain point it would seem that for most purposes, better resolution might be just a matter of pixel-peeping, whereas in reality it makes no appreciable difference as to how the image looks to people in general.
I wonder how much of this is in our minds. After all, unless there's actual physical damage or malfunction, the innards of those "digitally rotten" cameras work perfectly fine. Mr. Rockwell, in the linked article, mentions trading up in one case because the newer camera had "better resolution."
Perhaps, but the question might be whether he actually needed better resolution, or whether it was just the appeal of something "newer and better." I strongly suspect that a lot of what goes on is that we feel (maybe due to advertising?) that we must have the "newest and best," and suddenly our old camera seems dated and no good, even though it works as well as before and still produces great images....
And at a certain point it would seem that for most purposes, better resolution might be just a matter of pixel-peeping, whereas in reality it makes no appreciable difference as to how the image looks to people in general.
steveyork
Well-known
Me too. I just got an M5 and another Leicaflex.
LCT
ex-newbie
Aside from MP count, there are good reasons to sell the M9 at best price. Coming out with an accessory EVF, if any, the M10 would be easier to focus for those whose sight is not at its best and it would fit R lenses as well. Let alone cleaner results at high isos which explain in good part the MM's critical success IMHO.
fotomeow
name under my name
Lots of good wishful thinking here. Do we really think Leica M9 prices will plummet to $4k? Maybe in a few years.
Leica are masters at controlling the value of their products over time, as the last 9 decades have proven.
Leica are masters at controlling the value of their products over time, as the last 9 decades have proven.
Matus
Well-known
Maybe the logic is following:
Used M9(P) + Service on CCD/shutter after warranty = new M10 (soon)
I have never had an M of any sort (I would love to though - film or digital), but with the digital bodies the ultra high costs for repairs that after few years many cameras need would be the reason No.1 to keep me from buying a used one. And the price for M9 will not hit $3000 any soon (if ever) - what will then be an awful lot of money for old camera (in digital sense of the word). And this 'feature' (= repair prices) is here to stay, unfortunately.
Used M9(P) + Service on CCD/shutter after warranty = new M10 (soon)
I have never had an M of any sort (I would love to though - film or digital), but with the digital bodies the ultra high costs for repairs that after few years many cameras need would be the reason No.1 to keep me from buying a used one. And the price for M9 will not hit $3000 any soon (if ever) - what will then be an awful lot of money for old camera (in digital sense of the word). And this 'feature' (= repair prices) is here to stay, unfortunately.
kkibrisli
Newbie
I was in the market for one and had been checking the forums regularly since April. There were more M9s for sale prior to May 10 announcement and the asking prices were slightly lower.
segedi
RFicianado
I sold a near new Canon 7D anticipating the 5D III would be out soon. It took a year. And in that time my rangefinder collection has grown and my desire for the 5D III is now gone : )
fotomeow
name under my name
I noticed the same thing. And, I'm not so sure an M10 will be out later this year. Given Leica's history of production, I don't think an M10 to be out until next year. I would think they may focus more on launching the EVIL/mirrorless camera this fall. And what about all the R lenses that dont have a Leica DSLR body to go on? They have the S2, but not digital R body?
Gid
Well-known
Maybe because you have an interest in acquiring one you have been more aware of them 😉
Probably nothing more than the usual churn plus a small amount of fear sales - lost value if the sellers hang onto them for too long.
umcelinho
Marcelo
I'm just waiting them to reach the $3500-$3750 range... a friend is selling his locally for $4500, which is a pretty good price, but I'm gonna wait til Photokina to see what happens.
starless
Well-known
After reading the very first sentence of that link[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] you shared, I am questioning this guy's expertise:
"[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Old film cameras aren't worth much."
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jsrockit
Moderator
He's right with regard to the vast majority of film cameras. It may not seem that way to us since we tend to deal with the desirable stuff at RFF. As a film user, you should be happy regarding film camera prices. If you only care about photography and not cameras... there are great cameras (with a few lenses included) that will allow you to make wonderful photos for under $100. Not quite to that point in digital yet.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Range-rover
Veteran
I saw a lot of those camera's too, I don't know but maybe some of these
people have the money to spend 7K for a camera and if they don't like
it they sell it.
Range
