fuji xp-1 or leica m8.2 ?

[jsrockit]

I notice tons of unsold used xp1 in local classifieds, most want to sell quickly or trade for an M8, the M8 is that good on pixel level even if its 10 mpx only.

Tons?

Let's not confuse things here... while the M8 does have nice IQ, the X-Pro1 does as well.

 

[ajramirez]

M 8.2:
Solms may not be servicing tham anymore.

Wayne

Is this really the case? Is Leica really not providing support for a camera that was discontinued only 3 years ago? I'm asking out of real concern, not to be confrontational.

Regards,

Antonio

 

[semilog]

Hi, x-pro has better iso capability....a smaller sensor....the m8.2 has manual focus and a large amount of great lenses fo fit.

I don´t see too much things in common except for the fuji sht to ressemble a RF.

I don´t use AF cameras....but if the x-pro is fast and accurate it would be nice!

I don't see a lot of differences, honestly. I'd be happy to use either one.

I think people tend to make mountains out of molehills.

That said, I prefer the X-Pro's ability to do live view to eliminate parallax for close-up work, to allow focus closer than 0.7 m with lenses that permit it. I also like the X-Pro's lower weight and the sensor, which is considerably more capable at high ISO settings. The presence of a sensor cleaning function is also a real advantage.

On the M8.2's side, I really do like the output of those Kodak CCD sensors at ISO 100-200. Gorgeous.

 

[semilog]

M 8.2 was the best buy I did the last few years
I returned the xp1 after one weekend.

To an M shooter the M8.2 is going to be immediately intuitive. The X-Pro does a number of things differently. It took me a full week to learn the camera. It does have a number of quirks but these become insignificant once one learns the camera.

Now, you could say a week is too long. But it took me longer than that to accommodate to the M6 after many years with Nikon SLRs.

Now I shoot an X-Pro along with an M6 and a CLE. They're all wonderful!

 

[venchka]

Is this really the case? Is Leica really not providing support for a camera that was discontinued only 3 years ago? I'm asking out of real concern, not to be confrontational.

Regards,

Antonio

The following was posted at the Leica Users Group. Yes, it is about the M8. However, I doubt that the M8.2 is far behind.

Hi Luggers,
I have been in contact with Leica NJ about a smudge that has developed on the LCD screen of my black M8.

The camera is an M8U with the full upgrade, shutter speeds limited to
1/4000, new frame lines and the sapphire screen.

Leica New Jersey tells me that neither they nor Germany have the spare parts to replace the LCD and have asked me to send the camera to Leica NJ which will then, at their expense, forward the camera to Solms which will "assess" its value and then offer me a new M9 or M9P at a discount.

Canon is dropping cameras and lenses from their approved repair list like hot potatoes approximately 8 years or less after they are discontinued.

Wayne

 

[jsrockit]

So the M8 uses a different LCD than the M9?

 

[venchka]

So the M8 uses a different LCD than the M9?

I have no idea. A hunch: Leica wants to sell new cameras rather than repair "old" ones.
It should be rather easy to compare dimensions of the two LCD screens. That be a clue that they are different. Or the dot count is different and not compatible with the internal software. Either way, Solms ain't replacing the LCD screen on the M8. Possibly the M8.2 as well if it is the same as the M8. That is speculation on my part.

Wayne

 

[jsrockit]

Well, it appears that our film friends here have been correct in digital cameras being throw aways... even a damn Leica M8 can't be repaired already? Wow, Leica should be ashamed of that.

 

[ajramirez]

The following was posted at the Leica Users Group. Yes, it is about the M8. However, I doubt that the M8.2 is far behind.



Canon is dropping cameras and lenses from their approved repair list like hot potatoes approximately 8 years or less after they are discontinued.

Wayne

8 years of support on digital cameras may be irksome, but is not wholly unreasonable. I would dare say that 8 years of support on pro-quality lenses is unreasonable.

However, 3 years of support on a $7,000 - $8,000 camera (assuming the M9 is discontinued this year) is absolutely ludicrous. And what about the folks buying $50,000 Hermes Leicas. Will they be able to get their cameras repaired 3 years from now?

So much for an M-digital Leica being your partner for life.

Regards,

Antonio

 

[LeicaFan]

That's a real shame that Leica is doing this. A Leica is no longer an investment of a lifetime, but rather an expensive toy that you throw away once it breaks.

 

[LeicaFan]

And what about the folks buying $50,000 Hermes Leicas. Will they be able to get their cameras repaired 3 years from now?

Regards,

Antonio

People who buy a $50,000 Hermes Leica probably blow their noses with $100 bills. Once the camera breaks, they can just buy a new one. 😱

 

[Roger Hicks]

Well, how serious is a 'smudge'?

As for wiping your nose with a $100 bill, well, most bank-notes are of similar hardness, and if you've ever wiped your arse with a banknote (something everyone should do once, and noses are even more delicate) you'd know that this is a pretty silly image.

Cheers,

R.

 

[GaryLH]

That's a real shame that Leica is doing this. A Leica is no longer an investment of a lifetime, but rather an expensive toy that you throw away once it breaks.

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

 

[progie]

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

That's why an XPro1 is probably the way to go. After the warranty, throw it away and buy a new body if it breaks.

 

[LeicaFan]

This may not be really Leica's doing. I doubt that they are the original component manufacturer for the LCD in question here. Electronic components have an end of life cycle. I suspect that the original maker of the LCD component gave Leica a date for when they planned to stop production on this component and asked Leica about a one time end of life buy. It is up to the Leica product line manager to decide based on run rate how much to buy based on how long they want to support the product.

I don't expect any digital camera to have replacement parts for a lifetime.

Gary

Replacement parts for a lifetime, no, that would be ridiculous, but you'd expect these things to last more than 3 years, especially when they cost so much.

 

[GaryLH]

Replacement parts for a lifetime, no, that would be ridiculous, but you'd expect these things to last more than 3 years, especially when they cost so much.

I am not a Leica digital guy, so really don't even know when m8 was released. But if it really is around three years now, u can point the finger at Leica product line manager. He is the one responsible for projecting future sales and parts needed to repair the camera for as long as they are willing to do so....

Gary

 

[venchka]

I bought my M5 from a member here in mid-2006. He was selling gear to fund an M8. Seems like the M8 was trotted out at Photokina 2006. So, roughly 6 years later one particular part, the LCD screen, is no longer available. More critical parts may still be around. Call Leica, N.J. for the whole story.
I did send an 8 year old Canon pro "L" zoom lens in for repair. They sent it back. Too old, no longer serviced.

Wayne

 

[jsrockit]

I did send an 8 year old Canon pro "L" zoom lens in for repair. They sent it back. Too old, no longer serviced.

That's even crazier IMO.

 

[LeicaFan]

I am not a Leica digital guy, so really don't even know when m8 was released. But if it really is around three years now, u can point the finger at Leica product line manager. He is the one responsible for projecting future sales and parts needed to repair the camera for as long as they are willing to do so....

Gary

Sorry, I was not careful about the way I worded my previous post. The M8 is not 3 years old, but about 3 years out of warranty.

Things just aren't built to last anymore. We live in a throw-away society. Hopefully my MP lasts me a while. I plan to take it to the grave with me.

 

[GaryLH]

Sorry, I was not careful about the way I worded my previous post. The M8 is not 3 years old, but about 3 years out of warranty.

Things just aren't built to last anymore. We live in a throw-away society. Hopefully my MP lasts me a while. I plan to take it to the grave with me.

No problem....

I suspect the day is coming when broken m8 cameras are going to e valuable for their parts 🙄 their individual parts may be worth more than the base camera.

Gary