Vickko
Veteran
Has anyone heard of refurb'ed GF670?
Anyone in Japan have one or have had experience with them?
I found a USA seller on ebay with a couple, and claiming that they have no serial number. Still not cheap at just over $1200, but, very tempting. The seller seems to be repair guy and is offering his own 90 day warranty.
Is your GF670 trouble-free? I've read a few defect stories on the 'net.
....Vick
Anyone in Japan have one or have had experience with them?
I found a USA seller on ebay with a couple, and claiming that they have no serial number. Still not cheap at just over $1200, but, very tempting. The seller seems to be repair guy and is offering his own 90 day warranty.
Is your GF670 trouble-free? I've read a few defect stories on the 'net.
....Vick
GaryLH
Veteran
I have never heard of a refurb w/o a serial number. Normally the manufacturer still provides a limited warranty w/ a refurb.
I have had my gf670 for around 1.5 years, so far no issues. I bought mine used in excellent condition for slightly less than 1200.
I really am a b&w shooter these days and I am quite happy with it. Color is digital and b&w is film (mainly mf film)...
Good luck with your hunt...
Gary
I have had my gf670 for around 1.5 years, so far no issues. I bought mine used in excellent condition for slightly less than 1200.
I really am a b&w shooter these days and I am quite happy with it. Color is digital and b&w is film (mainly mf film)...
Good luck with your hunt...
Gary
Shutterspark
The perpetual new guy.
I have a factory refurb'ed GF670 bought last year for about $1100 ($200 rebate), and it has a serial number.
I haven't had much chance to use mine to be honest. The lens is superb from what I've seen so far, though.
I haven't had much chance to use mine to be honest. The lens is superb from what I've seen so far, though.
kuzano
Veteran
NO SN... Why?
NO SN... Why?
A refurb is a restore of an originally sold OEM camera, is it not? They don't (or shouldn't) build refurbs from scratch, and what would be the purpose to leave off the part that originally had a SN.
Now Stolen???
I could see no SN in that instance. OTOH, I looked at the seller you mentioned and he has 700 feedback and 100% positive feedback. Pretty hard to indict his items as stolen with that history. ???
No good way to report the camera as stolen unless you engrave some identification on it, which always reduces the value on resale. Kind of marries you to the camera.
I liken that to buying a car with a "salvage" title. Take a real "hit" on value.
(SORRY, THIS QUOTE SHB ON THE ORIGINAL POST)
NO SN... Why?
I have a factory refurb'ed GF670 bought last year for about $1100 ($200 rebate), and it has a serial number.
I haven't had much chance to use mine to be honest. The lens is superb from what I've seen so far, though.
A refurb is a restore of an originally sold OEM camera, is it not? They don't (or shouldn't) build refurbs from scratch, and what would be the purpose to leave off the part that originally had a SN.
Now Stolen???
I could see no SN in that instance. OTOH, I looked at the seller you mentioned and he has 700 feedback and 100% positive feedback. Pretty hard to indict his items as stolen with that history. ???
No good way to report the camera as stolen unless you engrave some identification on it, which always reduces the value on resale. Kind of marries you to the camera.
I liken that to buying a car with a "salvage" title. Take a real "hit" on value.
(SORRY, THIS QUOTE SHB ON THE ORIGINAL POST)
thegman
Veteran
Hmm, I've just ordered one of these and according to tracking info, it's on it's way. I actually missed the serial number info in my haste, but the guy has 700 feedback so I am reasonably confident it'll get here. Why they are missing serial numbers is anyone's guess though.
ajramirez
Established
I saw the posting as well. I would assume they are grey market cameras, with the serial numbers deleted to make it impossible to track the source. Done frequently, especially with luxury items such as wristwatches, where diverting goods would constitute breach of contract by the diverting distributor.
Antonio
Antonio
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
Many Fuji fixed-lens MF products have a SN on a removable plastic strip - this is done so that they can simply switch out your entire camera when they "fix" it. These are probably cameras that were put out of service and that the repairperson fixed.
Dante
Dante
kuzano
Veteran
Interesting Point...
Interesting Point...
Now that you mention it, I do recall that all of my Fuji cameras have had a small plate that seems glued to the back door. That seems like it would be easily removable. In addition, I see that most current cameras are SN stickers on the bottom of the camera also easily removable. Pretty easy to remove those tags if stolen. Seems like it may be wise to etch some sort of mark somewhere on a camera that could be reported.
It would be interesting to know if digital cameras have a menu item, or a chip/sensor serial number???
Interesting Point...
Many Fuji fixed-lens MF products have a SN on a removable plastic strip - this is done so that they can simply switch out your entire camera when they "fix" it. These are probably cameras that were put out of service and that the repairperson fixed.
Dante
Now that you mention it, I do recall that all of my Fuji cameras have had a small plate that seems glued to the back door. That seems like it would be easily removable. In addition, I see that most current cameras are SN stickers on the bottom of the camera also easily removable. Pretty easy to remove those tags if stolen. Seems like it may be wise to etch some sort of mark somewhere on a camera that could be reported.
It would be interesting to know if digital cameras have a menu item, or a chip/sensor serial number???
dfatty
Well-known
I got one of these last year, it's from Roman Camera Repair in NJ, which I think used to be an authorized Fuji repair center (though it doesn't appear to be now). Anyway, the camera looked new and seems to work fine. I didn't even consider it may not have a serial number sticker, I'll have to check that.
Hmm, I've just ordered one of these and according to tracking info, it's on it's way. I actually missed the serial number info in my haste, but the guy has 700 feedback so I am reasonably confident it'll get here. Why they are missing serial numbers is anyone's guess though.
Did you get your GF670 yet? What does the serial number spot look like? Is it scratched out or just removed?
Eric T
Well-known
Keep your eyes open for a bargain. I bought a like new GF670 on Amazon.com for $800. It came with box and case. It was sold by a private seller. It was so cheap I was a little nervous buying it. But it all turned our well.
Vickko
Veteran
Yeah, $800 would be the desired price for me. Unfortunately current market price seems to be in the $1200 to $1400 range for the GF670, and a couple hundred dollars higher for the Bessa III
thegman
Veteran
Did you get your GF670 yet? What does the serial number spot look like? Is it scratched out or just removed?
No, not got it yet, although I'm in the UK, so I expect a bit of a wait. According to tracking number, it's left the U.S. so should be along this week I think. I'll report on the camera when (if) I get it...
jbrubaker
Established
Refurb GF670
Refurb GF670
I just purchased and received a GF670 from Roman Camera on Ebay. It appears to be a brand new camera with the serial number strip peeled off. The camera works great, and I'm very happy with the purchase! ---john.
Refurb GF670
I just purchased and received a GF670 from Roman Camera on Ebay. It appears to be a brand new camera with the serial number strip peeled off. The camera works great, and I'm very happy with the purchase! ---john.
thegman
Veteran
I did the same, Roman Camera on eBay, it turned up looking perfect, but the shutter did not fire. I sent it back, and got a refund.
I won't delve into the details, but I did not enjoy the email exchanges, I would avoid dealing with him again. Clearly from the above, not all the cameras are bad, so he's not an eBay "scammer", but nor was he a pleasure to deal with like some dealers are.
I won't delve into the details, but I did not enjoy the email exchanges, I would avoid dealing with him again. Clearly from the above, not all the cameras are bad, so he's not an eBay "scammer", but nor was he a pleasure to deal with like some dealers are.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
... It would be interesting to know if digital cameras have a menu item, or a chip/sensor serial number???
All digital cameras have model and serial number information in their firmware, although not many in my experience have a user display function which will show it on the LCD. It can generally be retrieved by a service technician using a (usually undisclosed to the general public) service menu. I know the codes to get into my Olympus E-1's service menu and there is a lot of interesting information about the camera there.
Many digital cameras embed the serial number into the JPEG and raw file EXIF metadata—enough that Adobe has included the capability in Lightroom to recognize available camera serial numbers for applying specific camera calibration profiles.
Anyone else here by the $1249 GF670's that show up all the time on ebay? This guy seems to have an endless supply of them.
serge`vl
Member
Received it a week ago. It looks like new (but without serial #) and works great. There are new battery, never used strap, instruction in 3 languages and warning card inside the box. The box looks as new too.Anyone else here by the $1249 GF670's that show up all the time on ebay? This guy seems to have an endless supply of them.
The current price is $1239. Christmas discount
serge`vl
Member
Took first 12 rolls - no problems at all, great camera. Waiting, when he'll start to sell a Fuji GF670W for $1500
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