Fuji seriously investigating the launch of a full-frame compact system camera

[jsrockit]

Amateur Photographer interviewed Mr. Hiroshi Kawahara from Fuji. And he confirmed that “Fujifilm technicians are seriously investigating the possible launch of a full-frame compact system camera (CSC) and are focusing on the sensor and processor that would be required.” Mr Kawahara also confirmed that “the covering circle of Fuji’s current X-series lenses is large enough to accommodate full frame.” The problem is that current wide angle lenses would not cover the full FF area.

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/fuji-may-go-full-frame-mirrorless/

 

[N.delaRua]

Saw this today too. Seem like some of the lenses will be compatible with a FF sensor. I bet they do it. They have made too much noise in the market not to capitalize on their innovation.

 

[lam]

I still think theres witchcraft that goes on between the lens and the final image in the Fuji's.

That's a positive.

Who knows, if they go FF I may join back into Fuji.. 4 months after the release 😉

 

[Eric T]

Once Fuji goes full frame, there will be few reasons left to buy a new Leica DRF.
Personally, I think full frame is over-rated.

 

[jsrockit]

Personally, I think full frame is over-rated.

It kind of is... except for the fact that my 50mm equiv lens acts like a 35mm with regard to depth of field and distortion, etc.

 

[philosomatographer]

It kind of is... except for the fact that my 50mm equiv lens acts like a 35mm with regard to depth of field and distortion, etc.

DOF, yes. A 35mm f/1.4 is a 35mm f/1.4.

But distortion? Absolutely not. The angle of view of your Fuji 35mm on an X1, an Olympus 25mm on four-thirds, or a 180mm on a 4x5in view camera are identical, and not one has any more wide-angle distortion than the other.

 

[jsrockit]

But distortion? Absolutely not. The angle of view of your Fuji 35mm on an X1, an Olympus 25mm on four-thirds, or a 180mm on a 4x5in view camera are identical, and not one has any more wide-angle distortion than the other.

I'm not sure I agree. If I'm using a 35mm on a crop sensor, I will get the distortion of a 35mm lens even if it is cropped to 50mm by the sensor. Generally 50s, have less distortion than 35mm lenses, so I feel I'm dealing with distortion because I have a crop sensor and I need to use a 35mm to be my 50mm. As you go wider, the worse it gets. What am I not understanding from your quote?

 

[willie_901]

Distortion is somewhat ambiguous. There's barrel distortion, perspective effects (really not distortion but often described as such) were objects close to the camera appear larger than they do in person, and there's the distortion where objects close to the camera at the edge of the frame that are circular appear to have an oval shape and square objects appear to be rectangles.

Larger sensors don't necessarily do large angles of view better than smaller sensors. But it is more difficult to design short focal length lenses for smaller sensors; the manufacturing costs and tolerances are also more challenging as th focal length decreases. If wide angles of view are important, than I would rather have a larger sensor even though the DOF narrows.

 

[Ronald_H]

Today I received my Nikon D600. It can do it all, but it is still a big, bulky SLR. Ah well, maybe in 6 years or so.

 

[N.delaRua]

I don't think you'll have to wait six years if fuji is serious, although it took some time for the FF to become remotely affordable.

However, I doubt a FF X series camera would be cheap. Given that you a fixed lens sony ff is $3000....

 

[rbelyell]

Today I received my Nikon D600. It can do it all, but it is still a big, bulky SLR. Ah well, maybe in 6 years or so.

really? it looked to me half the size of my old 5d...only a half pound heavier than the xpro1, and similar in width and height to the xpro (but not similar in depth!).
tony

 

[GaryLH]

However, I doubt a FF X series camera would be cheap. Given that you a fixed lens sony ff is $3000....

The price difference between a Nikon d7000 vs d600 body may be a decent way to estimate what the Fuji ff xp may go for.. But no doubt not going to be cheap especially if it is a body w/ the ovf unit.

Gary

 

[kzphoto]

The price difference between a Nikon d7000 vs d600 body may be a decent way to estimate what the Fuji ff xp may go for.. But no doubt not going to be cheap especially if it is a body w/ the ovf unit.

Gary

One can only hope! Although they may make DLSR's as well. I was waiting for an SLR "type" X series camera, I guess the XE-1 is it.

 

[GaryLH]

Once Fuji goes full frame, there will be few reasons left to buy a new Leica DRF.
Personally, I think full frame is over-rated.

I tend to agree on both counts...

FF in the past for me was about using my legacy lenses as they were meant to be used... I have gotten used to apsc.. And my photo needs are in terms of max print size is easily satisfied with what I an get out of the xp1. The Fuji glass is some of the best out there, IMHO it rivals both Contax and Leica glass.

FF XP is all about mindshare and being able to point to your flagship product and say it is better than your competitor..

But on the other hand, I can c why there are those who need a ff sensor because of either the size of the print they require or the type of photography they shoot. Higher iso, bigger print size, thinner looking dof, smoother tonal look that a higher mp ff sensor can give.

My dream camera is a 24+ mp camera with clean iso 3200 capabilty that I can have a 24mm fov f2 lens and never have to take off.. Get to about 50 or 75 mm fov by cropping in post. In playing around w/ the 20mp rx100, it seems to me u can get very usable crops up to around 2.5.. If this camera is an apsc or ff I really don't care.

Gary

 

[boomguy57]

This could be interesting, but FF is a bit over-hyped IMO. However, if it had some decent focusing mechanism to help with legacy glass...just kidding, that horse is dead and has been kicked around the forum long enough 😉

But I get that you'd get better DoF and probably lose some of the 35mm-cropped-into-50mm distortion/perspective weirdness. While that's nice, if we are approaching Leica prices at the point that this thing launches, I'm out.

We'll see. I'm honestly more hoping that Sony brings out a FF NEX, as I had a NEX-5n briefly and focusing manually with old glass was a breeze. Once I don't have to 1.5x my lenses anymore, I'm in.

In the meantime, back to Tri-X.

 

[GaryLH]

This could be interesting, but FF is a bit over-hyped IMO. However, if it had some decent focusing mechanism to help with legacy glass...just kidding, that horse is dead and has been kicked around the forum long enough 😉

But I get that you'd get better DoF and probably lose some of the 35mm-cropped-into-50mm distortion/perspective weirdness. While that's nice, if we are approaching Leica prices at the point that this thing launches, I'm out.

We'll see. I'm honestly more hoping that Sony brings out a FF NEX, as I had a NEX-5n briefly and focusing manually with old glass was a breeze. Once I don't have to 1.5x my lenses anymore, I'm in.

In the meantime, back to Tri-X.

Personally, I hate the nex series UI. The rx100 UI is a breath of fresh air in comparison. Given the difference in target audience of their three camera systems, I suspect that there are also three different product focused marketing groups. I suspect the UI for the NEX series will not change... The best u will c is the nex6/7 style.

I am hoping that Fuji implements focus peeking next, at which point the Fuji becomes the universal digital back for me...

The Ricoh gxr w/m module has been what I have been using for m and ltm mount lenses. I now wonder if Ricoh is going to continue the gxr line.. Nothing lately outside if their a16 unit w/ the new zoom lens.. When and if the m module gives up the ghost and Ricoh does not come up w/ a replacement, Fuji will end up being used for everything.

Gary

 

[V-12]

Once Fuji goes full frame, there will be few reasons left to buy a new Leica DRF.
Personally, I think full frame is over-rated.

And at the price the Fuji X-Pro 1 already is, what do you think a full frame sensor version will be? Probably near very near to the Leica ME. And lets face it, at the same sort of price you want a Fuji?!! Its like ordering the caviar on toast and saying to the waiter 'hold the caviar'.

 

[bwcolor]

I just want a FF that I can afford (ie.. $2800) and will handle a Biogon's corners when shooting raw. Of course, I must be able to manual focus. Fuji is probably too heavily invested in the lens side of things to do this. Sony is focused on the electronics end of things, but less likely to pay attention to such a small segment of the population. I think that Ricoh, which basically sat out this Photokina, is the only hope of such a camera.

 

[GaryLH]

Just looked up B&h price of d7000 before the current 200 dollar rebate.. 1200 round up number versus 2100.. 900 dollars diff.. I believe both sensors are made for Nikon by Sony, so one could say that this is the oem price difference for the basic sensor.

But I reality, what this comparison does take into account are
- difference in base body redesign if required
- image processing hw updates due to new sensor
- and associated fw updates
- difference in economy of scale for Fuji versus Nikon
- how aggressive Fuji marketing team will be.. Projected units sold versus the cost of r&d and the profit margin projection

Gary

 

[jsrockit]

And at the price the Fuji X-Pro 1 already is, what do you think a full frame sensor version will be? Probably near very near to the Leica ME. And lets face it, at the same sort of price you want a Fuji?!! Its like ordering the caviar on toast and saying to the waiter 'hold the caviar'.

NO Fuji will cost anywhere near $5500... unless Leica rebadges one. 😉