The Current Arista Premium (Tri-X)...

kokoshawnuff said:
The person I was speaking to was expecting Foma to be next...

I expect Tri-X (in some form or another) to be around for the long haul...and whomever buys the patents and factories to hopefully keep Portra in production too

The 100,000+ rolls and couple thousand bulk rolls they have will be quite enough for me too
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Well fellows,

I can answer that question, I bumped into the answer a few days ago.

Look here, in a post on a thread about a visit to FOMA in Hradec Kralové, Czech Republic on this very forum:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2031598&postcount=6

Those pictures apparently were shot last year November if you read the first post in that thread: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031598#post2031598.


So, it's pretty likely that you're already shooting FOMA instead of Tri-X, actually... Nobody noticed? That would be good news! 😀
 
buzzardkid said:
Well fellows,

I can answer that question, I bumped into the answer a few days ago.

Look here, in a post on a thread about a visit to FOMA in Hradec Kralové, Czech Republic on this very forum:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2031598&postcount=6

That picture apparently was shot last year November if you read the first post in that thread.

So, it's pretty likely that you're already shooting FOMA instead of Tri-X, actually...

Nobody noticed? That would be good news! 😀
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@buzzardkid- Arista.Edu Ultra and Arista Premium are two different films.

Arista.Edu Ultra is Fomapan 100,200, and 400. That is what is shown in the picture.

Arista Premium (for now at least) is Kodak Tri-X (I think the 100 they sold used to be Plus-X, but I've never used it).

This really sucks for me. I just recently started shooting film with Arista Premium, and I love how well it pushes. Too bad Kodak brand Tri-X costs nearly twice as much. I may have to look into bulk-loading HP5 or something when the Arista Premium runs out.

All the other films that easily go to 1600-3200 are out of my budget.

-Greg
 
Addition to the above:

If you look up developing times for Arista Edu Ultra 400 @800 in D76 1+1 and for Fomapan 400 @800 in D76 1+1, they are both 17:00...

As per Massive Dev Chart iPhone app...


@Gregoyle: Aha... I got confused by the similar looking names. It's not for sale in the EU... 😱

🙂
 
buzzardkid said:
Well fellows,

I can answer that question, I bumped into the answer a few days ago.

Look here, in a post on a thread about a visit to FOMA in Hradec Kralové, Czech Republic on this very forum:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2031598&postcount=6

Those pictures apparently were shot last year November if you read the first post in that thread: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031598#post2031598.

So, it's pretty likely that you're already shooting FOMA instead of Tri-X, actually... Nobody noticed? That would be good news! 😀
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Those are not the same film. Freestyle sells two different Arista films. Arista.EDU Ultra has always been Foma, while the film we're talking about is Arista Premium, which is Kodak and comes in a burgundy colored box.
 
Chriscrawfordphoto said:
Those are not the same film. Freestyle sells two different Arista films. Arista.EDU Ultra has always been Foma, while the film we're talking about is Arista Premium, which is Kodak and comes in a burgundy colored box.
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Yup, so I was told a few posts back... It's confusing for a EU citizen who never sees either of them 'in the flesh', apparently...😱

I've been looking at the bulk rolls of Tri-X for ages but they are a kidney each, maybe I should simply order Arista Premium from the US, even with shipping included it might be cheaper than Tri-X...
 
buzzardkid said:
I've been looking at the bulk rolls of Tri-X for ages but they are a kidney each, maybe I should simply order Arista Premium from the US, even with shipping included it might be cheaper than Tri-X...
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The international shipping from freestyle I've heard can be quite expensive, but the more Arista products you order the more you save and eventually the savings would pass the shipping charges. I've read (I believe here on RFF) of people living in the same area that will pool their orders once a year to make up for shipping costs...
 
sparrow6224 said:
My feeling using them has been -- and people who know the chemistry can step in and tell me better -- that HP5 is much closer to Tri-x than Neopan 400 is.
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I shot Neopan 400 for about 8 years with a several bricks of HP5 mixed in there when Neopan was not available. Then I switched to Tri-X (Arista Premium) about 2 years ago when it became cheaper than Neopan. Every transition involved shooting the last 20 or so rolls mixed with the new film then developing them in the same tank.

I exposed them all the same, developed them the same, printed them the same. I cannot tell prints made from one emulsion from another. Neither can anyone else. My current Cuba exhibit is about 1/2 Neopan, 1/2 Tri-X. I cannot tell which is which. No one else has a clue they are shot on two different films.

I continue to believe that normal subject lighting variation plays a more significant role than which of the 3 films are used. Once post processed, they all look the same to my eye. I could do a controlled side by side test of Neopan 400 and Tri-X but know it is not necessary if I cannot tell the difference in prints in the real world.
 
I knew the day was coming, but it's still sad to hear. I imagine Freestyle will NOT replace Arista Premium film and with just continue with Artista.Edu as long as Foma supplies it.
Just glad I bought a freezer for film -- although, it's not big enough for 100,000 rolls.
 
I don't find actual Tri-X terribly expensive - works out to...what, $2/roll?

This is too bad, but I'm more concerned with Kodak's long term survival in film. I've already been through Arista Legacy (AKA Neopan 400) going extinct...that stung.
 
Colin Corneau said:
I don't find actual Tri-X terribly expensive - works out to...what, $2/roll?
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I've never seen it at those prices (not in the last 5 years at least)...bulk loading makes it about $3.20 per 36exp which is about $1 more than bulk loading Arista Premium


Gregoyle said:
How long would you say Arista Premium/Tri-X would last in the freezer? I am seriously considering stocking up.
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A 400 speed film will last about 5-6 years past expiration without many noticeable differences from new. As it is stored longer, speed will decrease and fog begin appearing
 
charjohncarter said:
I'm old; it gets easier to estimate the older you get.
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Interesting how that works huh.

I also find it gets tougher talking myself into learning how to get the best out of another new film. That is why I think I am going to start buying HP5. At least it looks like they may last long enough to make it worth the effort.

I hope that Bob is right and that all 400 films look pretty much alike after being processed and printed.
 
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