umcelinho
Marcelo
wait til the CES, then get an X100 for an even lower price, probably, if the x200 is not a huge improvement. if not, you only lost about 2 weeks with one. the x100 is already a fantastic camera and i really love mine.
taemo
eat sleep shoot
buy it if you need a great travel camera, if not, then just wait.
I'm so tempted to grab an X100 too right now, now that they are around ~700$ and the LE is around 1200$ but it's not really a need for me at this moment and am waiting.
Once they go around 500$ then I might get one unless the X200 gets announcend and if it's really that good.
I'm so tempted to grab an X100 too right now, now that they are around ~700$ and the LE is around 1200$ but it's not really a need for me at this moment and am waiting.
Once they go around 500$ then I might get one unless the X200 gets announcend and if it's really that good.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Well, the X100, I believe, is discontinued. Now, if some reviewer finds something wrong with the X200--you know, some little thing, like the exposure comp dial moves off of zero too easily; or it always underexposes pictures of Mount Olympus--whatever--then the price of the X100 could skyrocket! You never know . . . Better buy the X100 now . . .
ajvin
Member
thx for all the input...think my mind is made up to buy now.
regards
aj
regards
aj
Gary Sandhu
Well-known
Is the hexar rf2 coming out next year?
Prediction: no x200 ever
Prediction: no x200 ever
CK Dexter Haven
Well-known
With digital, the 'new one' is always better than the old one. How many exceptions can we think of?
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
X100's will still be findable once the X200 is out. And a Fuji rep told me with apparent certainty to expect the X200 at CES in January. I would predict a similar form factor with faster AF, an XTRANS sensor, and a $1000 price point.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I disagree.
At similar enlargement levels, RAW files out of the X-Pro1 and X-E1 look at least as good, and at high ISO significantly better, than those from the X-100. That's with Lightroom 4.2. The next update of Capture One will have XTRANS sensor support (according to employee postings on Phase One's forum) and I think we may reasonably expect that it will eclipse Adobe's current offering.
Honestly, I don't think there's any case where the (admittedly very good) X100 sensor will be better than the presumed XTRANS sensor in the X200... unless, maybe, you're using Apple Aperture.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
With the X-trans sensor, I wouldn't be surprised to see the opening price at around $1300, given that the X-E1 plus 35/1.4 goes for about $1600. I'd rejoice if it was around $1000 however.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
RAW conversion could seriously affect demand/price
RAW conversion could seriously affect demand/price
I saw today that Camera One has apparently issued a beta version of a RAW conversion software for the XTrans sensor. The OP-er thinks the results look very good. However... if a robust converter continues to be unavailable for Photoshop and Aperture, the price of these cameras will be held lower. I for one think this lack of RAW processing is a bonus to anyone thinking of buying the new X*** because prices will remain on the low side and the jpeg files from these cameras is in fact excellent.
RAW conversion could seriously affect demand/price
I saw today that Camera One has apparently issued a beta version of a RAW conversion software for the XTrans sensor. The OP-er thinks the results look very good. However... if a robust converter continues to be unavailable for Photoshop and Aperture, the price of these cameras will be held lower. I for one think this lack of RAW processing is a bonus to anyone thinking of buying the new X*** because prices will remain on the low side and the jpeg files from these cameras is in fact excellent.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I think it's safe to assume that the next major revision of the Adobe RAW converter will provide more predictable results. In fact, the current engine is capable of excellent (if not superlative) results but the settings need to be substantially different than for Beyer sensors.
With respect to demand, Fuji has pushed back release of the 14mm lens, reportedly because of larger-than-anticipated demand for the kit zoom shipped with the X-E1.
With respect to demand, Fuji has pushed back release of the 14mm lens, reportedly because of larger-than-anticipated demand for the kit zoom shipped with the X-E1.
tonal1
Established
As great as the X100 is, I think that the new camera will likely be a big improvement on the old. IQ like the X Pro 1, and I'm certain they'll improve the AF... if they don't, the new camera will be a failure. Honestly, I loved the X100 for the few months I had it (and used it quite a lot), but the AF is a deal breaker for me. I went back to 35mm B&W until the bugs get worked out of the X-series. My 20 year old Hexar AF has vastly superior AF, a better View Finder, and an equally good lens. Tri-x gives me better dynamic range too. I was using my X100 for low light, which saved me from paying $$ for Kodak 3200, but the AF in those conditions, where you could take the most advantage of the sensor, was just terrible...
For me, the X cameras aren't quite there yet (except for the X10 which Fuji nailed). But, they're getting awfully close. I'm feeling pretty hopeful about the next gen. I'll probably take my chances and pre-order when possible.
For me, the X cameras aren't quite there yet (except for the X10 which Fuji nailed). But, they're getting awfully close. I'm feeling pretty hopeful about the next gen. I'll probably take my chances and pre-order when possible.
How will it be a failure? Has the X-100 or the X-Pro1 been a failure?
tonal1
Established
It will be a failure, because (if) it will not have improved. The X100 and the X Pro 1 are great advances over what existed beforehand. And they have flaws, big ones. They're great cameras, but why replace them if the flaws aren't addressed.
X100 would benefit from the X-trans sensor, slightly improved viewfinder and much better EVF refresh rate, but it needs better AF. The only thing the X Pro 1 absolutely needs is better and much faster AF (improved VF and EVF would be nice). If that isn't addressed, then yes, the replacement will be a failure. I'm not dissing the X cameras. The fact is that current mirrorless cameras have inferior AF than good P&S cameras from the 1990's. That's just ridiculous. A $1300 fixed lens should not need an AF assist beam...
So, I'm hopeful.
Eric T
Well-known
AF is fine on my X-Pro1 after the firmware update last fall.
Anyway, I suggest that Ajvin waits until the X200 (or whatever it will be called) is released and THEN buy the X100. Prices always plummet after the newer model comes in. The high quality of the X100 will remain.
Anyway, I suggest that Ajvin waits until the X200 (or whatever it will be called) is released and THEN buy the X100. Prices always plummet after the newer model comes in. The high quality of the X100 will remain.
No, they will only be failures if Fuji does not sell them as expected.
tonal1
Established
Busines first, photography second?
daveleo
what?
Fuji is a business. Who isn't ?
That aside . . . . . Lots of people think this camera or that one is a "failure". The HexarAF is one of them in the sense that the masses did not buy millions of them (come to think of it Konica & Minolta were a business "failures" !). It (the Hexar) is also a most beloved "cult" camera (my very favorite ever, only rivaled now by this X100 concept).
So . . . failure ? . . . one person's failure you know is another person delight.
Despite that I almost threw my blasted X100 out the window yesterday, the thing is really really a nice camera.
EDIT: actually, in my mind, Fuji will "fail" if they don't continue the evolution of the X100 concept. (As Leica failed when they let the Digilux-2 concept die quietly.)
That aside . . . . . Lots of people think this camera or that one is a "failure". The HexarAF is one of them in the sense that the masses did not buy millions of them (come to think of it Konica & Minolta were a business "failures" !). It (the Hexar) is also a most beloved "cult" camera (my very favorite ever, only rivaled now by this X100 concept).
So . . . failure ? . . . one person's failure you know is another person delight.
Despite that I almost threw my blasted X100 out the window yesterday, the thing is really really a nice camera.
EDIT: actually, in my mind, Fuji will "fail" if they don't continue the evolution of the X100 concept. (As Leica failed when they let the Digilux-2 concept die quietly.)
GaryLH
Veteran
Fuji and every other camera maker is in the business of making money. If they are to survive in that business, they need to decide their target customer and what their needs are... So yes business first.
About your other topic. Af speed requirements are not the same for all users. Each of us needs to evaluate based on what we need. So long as the camera is capable of that, then the af speed is a moot point.
There are enough of us who are fine w/ the af speed w/ the latest firmware updates for x100 and xp1/xe1, myself included. Everyone needs to decide for themselves, it is not a camera for everyone and I don't think Fuji intended it to be one IMHO. In everything I have read from their press info, they have exceeded their project sales goals for both these cameras.
Gary
