ptpdprinter
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There is 85 page thread with nealy 1700 posts over on the Leica Forum about M11 freezing and software problems, so I am sure this is only an isolated issue.
Why Does Leica Not Make AE M Lenses?
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When Leica replaced the CCD on my M9 they also had to load the latest firmware- I held at 1.176 long after newer firmware was released. The new sensor is great, but the new firmware introduced the shutter advance delay. Happens on ~1 of 5 shots, shutter does not advance for the next shot until the buffer is flushed. My M Monochrom always had the problem, as was loaded with firmware written by Leica.
Developing firmware has been very, very good to me.
I was using my DOS computer years ago with the Cat sitting in my lap. He wanted more attention, reached over and hit CTL-ALT-DEL.
Developing firmware has been very, very good to me.
I was using my DOS computer years ago with the Cat sitting in my lap. He wanted more attention, reached over and hit CTL-ALT-DEL.
ptpdprinter
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I was using my CP/M computer years ago. I didn't have a cat. I could reboot the computer by pressing Ctrl-C.
Pál_K
Cameras. I has it.
The CTL-ALT part is pretty difficult with the left paw; I'm impressed.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I don't care one way or the other whether you accept my 'anecdotal evidence' or agree with my opinion. I know I'm speaking the truth when it comes to my 'anecdotal evidence', and not just mouthing something I 'read on a forum on the internet', and that's all that matters to me.
You do understand that my statements and opinion are just as valid as splitimageview's, that's all, and if you don't accept mine, don't accept his 'anecdotal evidence' either.
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Godfrey
somewhat colored
Same here, spanning use of M9, M-P 240, M-D 262, M10 Monochrom, and M10-R. Not once despite making over 170,000 exposures total with these cameras for over a decade.
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Out to Lunch
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This brings us to the ultimate question: why has Leica not decentralized its service and warranty business? I am currently in Canada where there is no Leica service available. I also spend a good amount of time in Vietnam where Leica has two boutique stores, neither of which can service anything. The Leica 'regional store' in Singapore offers the most basic repairs, only. It can't be all that hard to train and supervise repair technicians in a select number of countries or regions. Cheers, OtL
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Godfrey
somewhat colored
Perhaps if enthusiasm for Leica, the only currently volume manufacturer of rangefinder cameras both film and digital, and their M camera products on the RangeFinder Forum is nauseating to you, the RangeFinder Forum isn't where you should hang out.
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das
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Leicas are cool and all, and I would never part with my M3 or M7. But M bodies certainly are not the best at anything, whether film or digital.
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Cat's hate moving to a new house. 30 years ago when we moved to a bigger house, "Felix" jumped into my '90 TBird and grabbed the wheel. Funny part was the younger cat "Ernie" jumping into the back seat, expecting to be driven home. Felix could not reach the gas pedal. Smartest cat I've ever seen.
I've had several firmware induced errors on the M9 and M Monochrom. They are repeatable- have to do with precise timing of pressing and releasing the shutter release. Based on timing, the shutter does not charge for several seconds. I've missed some shots because of this. The problem is the same on the M9 and M Monochrom. If Leica ever releases the source code, I'll look through it to identify the problem. 45 years of experience writing embedded firmware. Part of the reason why I prefer manual lenses, without any electronics and cameras with a minimum of automation.
Well even if they have a local office like they do in the US, many seemingly minor issues require shipment back to Wetlzar. That's a good way to extend repair times. 😛
CTL-C stopped a program from running when it was using a system service for I/O- same as DOS, it was like a warm restart. I used a Xerox 820-II for processing Landsat-4 imagery, and interfaced with realtime hardware. My Xerox had a reset switch for a reboot. Z80 Mode 2 Interrupts were really cool. I rewrote the Library from the Fortran compiler to speed up multiply and divide.
Warm Restart routine. I miss the Z80
.Z80
TITLE RESET
; SYSTEM RESET
; FORTRAN CALLABLE SUBROUTINE TO RETURN COMPUTER TO CP/M
; AT THE CCP LEVEL.
; SUBROUTINE RESET
CSEG
SYSTEM EQU 5
ENTRY RESET
RESET: LD C,X'00' ; FUNCTION CODE 0 IN C.
JP SYSTEM ; JUMP TO SYSTEM. THIS IS AN EXIT POINT.
END
I still have the Fergusan BigBoard II.
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Out to Lunch
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CTL-C...yep, I remember, with dread. At around the time I wrote my thesis with an everlasting fear that my computer would eat my words and leave me destitute on the side of the road.
The Program running on CP/m could remap CTL-C, Wordstar treated it as just another command- not a reboot.
You can load a Z80 Softcore into an FPGA, and run your Z80 code. I have a CP/m emulator that runs in a DOS window on XP, or under DOS.
ARM processors are most popular for firmware these days. Mostly C/C++ code, a little bit of assembly. I've had to rewrite some fairly large C/C++ code for embedded ARM. Too bad Leica does not release the source code for the M8, first thing I'd do is bypass the DNG8 mode.
You can load a Z80 Softcore into an FPGA, and run your Z80 code. I have a CP/m emulator that runs in a DOS window on XP, or under DOS.
ARM processors are most popular for firmware these days. Mostly C/C++ code, a little bit of assembly. I've had to rewrite some fairly large C/C++ code for embedded ARM. Too bad Leica does not release the source code for the M8, first thing I'd do is bypass the DNG8 mode.
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I don't read where @ptpdprinter doesn't accept anecdotal evidence; he was just pointing out that you, on the other hand, were.
This is getting tedious, I think it's reasonable for a premium brand like Leica to offer premium service, I didn't think that would be all that controversial! 🤡
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
Once upon a time Leica had an internship program designed to support a network of trained technicians. Don Goldberg ("DAG") was among them. The wax seal at the 12 O'clock screw position was replaced with a new seal containing the technicians number (IIRC, DAG's was '92') upon being serviced. In the early 1980s Leica abandoned the tech network in favor of service being performed at a hand-full of Leica service centers throughout the world. The number of service centers has only gotten smaller over the years.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Yes, this is getting tedious. Suffice it to say: If you don't like Leica's service and support, or find untenable difficulties with their digital M cameras, or other products, or their prices ... no one is forcing you to buy one. Don't buy one, and then you don't have to complain about it ... and whether they have program and shutter priority modes, or electronic coupling between lens and body, et cetera, is no longer a problem either if you're not buying one.
G'night.
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PS: I'm thoroughly delighted with my Leica M cameras.
G'night.
G
PS: I'm thoroughly delighted with my Leica M cameras.
Darn, all this time I thought I was being forced. 🤣
If I had only known that Leica is without fault and that I should have been quite pleased that a premium product includes only mediocre service. I should have read your posts instead of handling customers who came to me with support issues (yes, I worked for a dealer) and I should have ignored my own first-hand experience. Since you've never experienced a problem, everyone else must be wrong, including me. My bad!
If I had only known that Leica is without fault and that I should have been quite pleased that a premium product includes only mediocre service. I should have read your posts instead of handling customers who came to me with support issues (yes, I worked for a dealer) and I should have ignored my own first-hand experience. Since you've never experienced a problem, everyone else must be wrong, including me. My bad!
Leica cameras have a real "Beta release" feel about them. You would think that with so many people testing them, bringing problems to their attention, that they would fix them. For myself- I'm good at coming up with work-arounds, another reason to stick with the M9 and M Monochrom. The M8- much more reliable in terms of firmware operation as the Aerospace company that wrote it knew what they were doing.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Sorry, none of my digital Ms have had any kind of "beta release" feel. I've taken each one out of the box, configured its options per my pre-reading of the manual, and just gone to work making photographs. Everything has worked exactly as documented, the cameras feel great and produce excellent quality results.
If mine are the only ones that work this way, I feel particularly blessed, but I doubt that's the case. In fact, none of my local photographer friends who have digital M cameras have ever had any problems with them (thats about 35-36 folks in my photo workshop group which has 243 members). I know this because this morning i became curious and sent msgs to the group asking if anyone who had one had sent their digital M off to service... None of them have, except for the four who had the M9 and either had the sensor replaced or traded it like i did mine.
The participants in this thread seems to have a lot more issues with Leica than any group of people that i know outside of a forum do.
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If mine are the only ones that work this way, I feel particularly blessed, but I doubt that's the case. In fact, none of my local photographer friends who have digital M cameras have ever had any problems with them (thats about 35-36 folks in my photo workshop group which has 243 members). I know this because this morning i became curious and sent msgs to the group asking if anyone who had one had sent their digital M off to service... None of them have, except for the four who had the M9 and either had the sensor replaced or traded it like i did mine.
The participants in this thread seems to have a lot more issues with Leica than any group of people that i know outside of a forum do.
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