Leica M11-P released w/provenance security chip

I've not noticed start-up time on any of my Leica M digitals to be an issue. I have no experience with the M11 as yet, but M9, M-P240, M-D262, and now M10-M and M10-R all wake up quickly enough from "OFF" and also wake from sleep quickly enough for the way I use the cameras. (When I'm shooting, I never switch the camera OFF, I just let it fall asleep; I tap the shutter release as soon as I start to lift the camera and it's always ready by the time I have it at my eye.) Perhaps I just adapted to their behaviors, like I've adapted to the M4-2 or the Hasselblad wind-up-and-cock-the-shutter timings, and even the Light L16 startup/wake/release-delay behaviors.

Machines act based on how they're made; humans adapt. 🙂

Regards provenance, well, unless you're doing photography in the realm of forensics where the provenance of the photos is very critical (that they were made at a specific time and place and for a specific purpose is important to the acceptability of the imaging), the issue of submitting raw files along with the edited image files rarely comes up ... I've never submitted raw files to anyone unless it was specified in my shooting contract to do so. The key with the M11-P credentials is that you *can* absolutely, deterministically say that "this camera made this image, it was not generated algorithmically" if the issue does come up in the licensing of the images. The total context of the image making is thus guaranteed to be "real" and not "generative".

What a weird world that's come into being... 🤪 ...Maybe I'll just stick to projects that deliver original, out-of-the-camera Polaroid instant prints from now on. LOL!

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Although it has its vulnerabilities and not as elegant a solution - if my work warranted it (which it does not as well) - I would generate and store MD5 checksum hashes for my important digital files (original, processed versions etc.).

Of course, once a file is uploaded somewhere, who knows what type of image compression/resizing algorithm is applied so a 1-1 checksum comparison to prove provenance would probably not be of not much value unless the original upload is available for comparison.

MD5 - Wikipedia

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Assuming that it can't already, would AI not eventually be able to create (or recreate) these credentials? This wouldn't seem to be much of a stretch given that such data exists in the digital domain.
 
Guth said:
Assuming that it can't already, would AI not eventually be able to create (or recreate) these credentials? This wouldn't seem to be much of a stretch given that such data exists in the digital domain.
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Let us simply say there are _many_ reasons to laugh at Adobe for pushing this joke of a system.
 
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As I've outlined elsewhere, I am very careful to pick my cards and I use my cards like film. I buy them, format them, fill them, then put them aside. So my cards are never written over or erased or anything. I am almost sure I bought a Typ 246 that is 0.01% inside the slowest acceptable rate of everything. A slow horse, if you like.
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Wait, so you only use a memory card once and buy a brand new one every time the current one is filled?
 
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Wait, so you only use a memory card once and buy a brand new one every time the current one is filled?
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Yes. I have heaps of them archived. They are not a core part of my backup but I do keep them. When I recently had a few days at home I checked through them and none of the files, going back to 2000, were corrupted or unreadable. They are now so cheap I don’t even think about it. I can store around 1,000 photos from my Leica M11M on a 64gb card that costs less than one roll of Tri-X including development costs.

Sorry for all the edits. I pay so little attention to the number of shots I get on a card I had to go check.

Problem reading files from an old SD card in an M9

I ran out of space on a compact flash SD card, so used another old Lexar 32GB 45mb/s card. I know I shouldn't have given the camers but had no other option. Perhaps predictably, the images from this card can be seen by the camera but they do not load onto my MBP. Can anyone suggest a quick...
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I`m obviously assuming that you don`t restrict yourself to one shoot per card so interested if this method of storage requires a detailed recording system to enable access. I know that one of the guys on the Red Dot forum YouTube channel stores his shots in the same .

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jayton said:
I`m obviously assuming that you don`t restrict yourself to one shoot per card so interested if this method of storage requires a detailed recording system to enable access. I know that one of the guys on the Red Dot forum YouTube channel stores his shots in the same .
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I have a camera code then number the cards. All my photos are in a Lightroom archive for normal working access. I don’t use the cards as my archive.
 
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Freakscene said:
Yes. I have heaps of them archived. They are not a core part of my backup but I do keep them. When I recently had a few days at home I checked through them and none of the files, going back to 2000, were corrupted or unreadable. They are now so cheap I don’t even think about it. I can store around 1,000 photos from my Leica M11M on a 64gb card that costs less than one roll of Tri-X including development costs.

Sorry for all the edits. I pay so little attention to the number of shots I get on a card I had to go check.

Problem reading files from an old SD card in an M9

I ran out of space on a compact flash SD card, so used another old Lexar 32GB 45mb/s card. I know I shouldn't have given the camers but had no other option. Perhaps predictably, the images from this card can be seen by the camera but they do not load onto my MBP. Can anyone suggest a quick...
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Makes sense when comparing it to film I suppose. I have several external hard drives for redundancy. Similar but different.
 
I have also followed this approach for the last six years; using standard cards only once, putting them aside and then archiving from the working copy along with Lightroom catalogues ( for each folder ).

There is also a SD card variant, the WORM card ( Write Once Read Many ) that is intended to ensure data authenticity.
https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/product-highlight/f/flexxon/worm-sd-and-microsd-cards
There is price premium, due to limited and specialist demand.
 
Freakscene said:
Yes. I have heaps of them archived. They are not a core part of my backup but I do keep them. When I recently had a few days at home I checked through them and none of the files, going back to 2000, were corrupted or unreadable. They are now so cheap I don’t even think about it. I can store around 1,000 photos from my Leica M11M on a 64gb card that costs less than one roll of Tri-X including del[/URL]
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Wow. I've never heard of using as cards like film. You probably have 1000's of SD cards

But you fill it to capacity before replacing? Maybe waiting to fill to capacity can actually slower the writing process?
 
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Wow. I've never heard of using as cards like film. You probably have 1000's of SD cards

But you fill it to capacity before replacing? Maybe waiting to fill to capacity can actually slower the writing process?
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Hundreds, not thousands. I tend to use about 2-6 64gb cards a year, and about 3-6000 photos. I used to shoot about 1-200 rolls of film a year, so my productivity has gone up with digital, and I’m definitely less scared to bracket, try different focus, and work something I know will work.

I fill my cards to capacity or near capacity - I wouldn’t go out on a day where my main plan is to take photos but knowing there was space for only a few photos.

But it was only my typ 246 that was slow, and it was really, really, _really_ slow no matter what I did. I am pretty sure it was just the camera.
 
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