Disappointed_Horse
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I'm not knocking the X1/2 or saying it's not "valid." If you like the idea, great, get one! I look forward to seeing your pictures.
I 100% agree with this.
Half frame digital: the Fujifilm X-HF1?
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I'm not knocking the X1/2 or saying it's not "valid." If you like the idea, great, get one! I look forward to seeing your pictures.
I 100% agree with this.
seany65
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Well, according to the Fujifilm egift shop (and the full spec sheet on the Fujifilm X website) this thing does NOT even come with a charger! What a swizz!
JohnGellings
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That's nothing new... you get a USB cable to charge with.
JohnGellings
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I´ve ordered one. I have a GFX and the Nikon Zf for when I need larger sensors. What can I say? I like Fuji, I like small cameras, I photograph in vertical orientation a lot, I like simplicity and I have a project in mind for it. Also, I think it's a better Instax camera than I´ve tried (and ultimately didn't like in the past). If I end up not liking it, I doubt I'll lose much $ on it.
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OmegaB600
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actually, this is almost the euqivalent of giving your 5 year old a broken film camera, with no film in it.. adn letting them "take pictures".
And that slack jawed expression in the videio.. perhaps the dude is just amazed that the little people in the screen dont move?
JoeV
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40 rolls of film will buy a new X Half. After that it’s free!
Also, shouldn’t it be called the XH Alf?
Also, shouldn’t it be called the XH Alf?
bulevardi
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In the past years I searched for apps on my phone to simulate film effects.
To change the phone's camera into a retro cam etc...
The idea is nice, but the apps weren't convincing for me and weren't that easy to use.
I also like the fact that manufacturers still create retro designs for cameras, like Fuji does, or Olympus Pen,... that's because there's a demand for this nostalgic feeling.
Also the fact that young people are still using film nowadays, and started using second hand film camera's is showing that there's a revival.
That's like much people wanted a digital Lomo LC-A... and lomoraphy reaction was to make minitar lenses with adapters to put on Nikon/Canon DSLR's etc...
Fuji definitely saw it too and reacts to it, digitally. It's a nice toy or gadget though.... But it doesn't do all I want, yet.
Why half photos? Why couldn't they just start with full photos?
Perhaps in the future a manufacturer comes up with some more film simulations from different brands, Kodak, Ilford, Agfa, Adox, Lomochrome, Cinestill, ... and many more, in one camera.
I like the option for light leaks etc... although I think it will probably always be the same pre-made layer added on top of your photo. It needs to be randomly unique in each photo.
To change the phone's camera into a retro cam etc...
The idea is nice, but the apps weren't convincing for me and weren't that easy to use.
I also like the fact that manufacturers still create retro designs for cameras, like Fuji does, or Olympus Pen,... that's because there's a demand for this nostalgic feeling.
Also the fact that young people are still using film nowadays, and started using second hand film camera's is showing that there's a revival.
That's like much people wanted a digital Lomo LC-A... and lomoraphy reaction was to make minitar lenses with adapters to put on Nikon/Canon DSLR's etc...
Fuji definitely saw it too and reacts to it, digitally. It's a nice toy or gadget though.... But it doesn't do all I want, yet.
Why half photos? Why couldn't they just start with full photos?
Perhaps in the future a manufacturer comes up with some more film simulations from different brands, Kodak, Ilford, Agfa, Adox, Lomochrome, Cinestill, ... and many more, in one camera.
I like the option for light leaks etc... although I think it will probably always be the same pre-made layer added on top of your photo. It needs to be randomly unique in each photo.
bulevardi
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That's just the best part of it!
I used to shoot film long time ago... then I went digital for years, and recently started again with film, combining both.
And the first times I had to wait for the lab to develop my film and finally see the results is just wonderful, it's MAGIC.
For people using their phone to shoot all the time, it's a great way to help them detox a bit more. Because each time they have their phone in their hands, they're distracted and start doing all sorts of other things with it and before they know the next hour is gone.
They look at the photo, start to edit, show it to friends, wasting time to create captions and hashtags to put it on their socials, scroll endlessly,..
While with a Flashback ONE35, you click and put it away. DONE.
It would even be better that you had to wait a week instead of only 24 hours to take the magic effect.
Also, there's no screen on the back to see your photo. You get 27 photos to shoot each time, this means you're limited like with a film roll, so it forces you to look good before you shoot.
So it's not as any other digital camera where you can take hundred mistakes and delete until you leave one perfect shot you like. It makes you take the time to be sure, before you shoot.
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Godfrey
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JohnGellings
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Yeah, I do not get it. People seem to get fixated on pure specs. Is it gimmicky? yes. Is it still capable of making a great photo? yes. RFF is a place where people own several to tons of different cameras and many times for illogical reasons. I see no harm in buying this camera if it does it for you.
JoeV
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About a decade ago, before I got my first iPhone, I was using a flip phone and carrying an iPod Touch around as a camera. The iPod was like a miniature iPhone in shape, and I used the Hipstamatic app. It turns out Hipstmatic are still around, still releasing new film and lens “packages.”
Fast forward, I found the old iPod Touch in a box, it charged up and turns on, but the old iOS software version isn’t supported by the mothership in Cupertino so, alas, it’s useless as a camera. But I liked its diminutive size, and wish Apple still made these just as a tiny camera. All this to say that I found HIPSTAMATIC to be rather fun to use.
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Disappointed_Horse
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I'm rather a fan of Hipstamatic as well. It's fun, I like the images I get from it, and it doesn't cost $850.
bulevardi
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Of course that goes for any camera.
But that's not how the youngest phone-generation grew up with learning how to take pictures.
They don't take the time. They don't learn photography. They just endlessly snap and delete.
JohnGellings
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If they are serious about photography, they do.
OmegaB600
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all they have to do is make it a normal crop factor for the camera software, and any digital can do half frame
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Yes.
I teach a lot of youngsters about Photography, whether they're using smartphones or film cameras or whatever. Most are actually very eager to learn, they just don't come from the same culture that I did and so haven't been introduced to all the magic, technology, et cetera, that I was exposed to when I was their age.
I've seen a few of these "kids" (I laugh about that ... most are 19-35 years old now! but I'm getting to the point where most people I meet under 50 seem youngsters) go on to do some absolutely amazing Photography, and talk excitedly about new projects and ideas! Ah, the joy and the energy of youth! It brings a tear to my eyes... I love helping them see, understand, and grow. 😀
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JohnGellings
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Yeah and? That's a diptych. You can do it in most editing software already. It's obviously that Fuji just wanted to make a camera with some fun ideas. If you do not like the gimmicks, you can choose the neutral film sim and you just photograph like any other camera. And by you, I do not mean you specifically.
OmegaB600
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nikon apsc dslr had that much smaller frame sized crop factor that turned off a portion of the sensor.. fuji can do the same t hing for any camera and not charge poor suckers so much.
joe bosak
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I think the vertical half frame sensor is probably the main reason I'd consider buying it. The £699 might make me think twice, but we're looking at £400-600 for old compacts here with similar-ish sized sensors, old technology, wear and tear, and unknown remaining longevity (MX-1, X10, X20, X30 for example at mpb). Yes they're different in so many ways (yawn) but what I'd be after is something different, quirky, casual etc... and that Instax link would help too.
JohnGellings
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I have no idea what you are trying to say about the APSC sensor, but I'll address being a poor sucker.
Ok, let's break this down. The cheapest 1" camera right now is a Sony with a fixed 20mm made for Vlogging. It is $499. With a 20mm lens, it isn't exactly something I'd personally want to use ever. Their next 1" vlogging camera is $799. Good price and with a zoom, but it is Sony. Not exactly an ergonomic delight. The Sony RX100VII is now $1600! The Canon G7x MKIII is like $1200 on the used market. 1" sensor cellphones aren't cheap either. $700 range and not by the big brands yet. Things have changed. Cameras aren't priced like a few years ago.
So, why are we suckers for liking and buying this camera exactly? You do not have to use any of the gimmicks. You can simply use it as a 18mp, 32mm digital camera. If you cannot make a photo with this camera, you likely can't make one with any camera.
Look, I get it. Would I buy it as my only camera? No, there are better deals and better specs. However, I have those cameras already.
If you think a 1" sensor camera cannot be used for serious photography, I would like to present Magnum photographer Matt Black's American Geography project. He used a Sony RX100 II (released in 2013 and in square crop mode no less) to make a lot of this project:
American Geography — Matt Black
www.mattblack.com
Matt Black • Photographer Profiles • Magnum Photos Magnum Photos
Matt Black became a Magnum nominee in 2015. His work has explored the connections between migration, poverty, farming, and the environment.
www.magnumphotos.com
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