1984

Big Brutha

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I LOVE this thread! Best one on RFF during my stay here (which ain't that long period of time).

I'll contribute once I find the appropriate shots. I'm a long time fan of 1984, only book I've read over and over again. Simply stunning description of modern society and the change in it. It should be mandatory read in all schools along with some teaching about critical thinking (not that the ones in power would let that be taught...).

Sorry for more off-topic in this wonderful thread, just hit me like million volts!
 
Santtu Määttänen said:
I LOVE this thread! Best one on RFF during my stay here (which ain't that long period of time).

I'll contribute once I find the appropriate shots. I'm a long time fan of 1984, only book I've read over and over again. Simply stunning description of modern society and the change in it. It should be mandatory read in all schools along with some teaching about critical thinking (not that the ones in power would let that be taught...).

Sorry for more off-topic in this wonderful thread, just hit me like million volts!
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Ironically in the freedom of the 1960s it was required reading here inn the UK ... however we clearly failed to learn its lessons it seems
 
Perhaps a little bit off topic, but I've got a little bit of a tiny question for you guys.
Why do you feel like cameras on the street are offending your privacy?
It's not like you're walking naked on the streets, you're rather just an anonymous guy passing by the camera's image, aren't you?
If you aren't and therefor probably doing something 'criminal' you could as well be seen by a police officer passing by.
And if you don't like camera's on the streets that watch that there's nobody getting robbed or harassed, why wouldn't you mind some random passerbys seeing you - who knows what intentions they might have ...

(this wasn't meant to be offensive in anyway, I just don't live in a perfectly safe neighbourhood - for the least to say - and do feel safer when near a camera)


PS all cameras mentioned here are referring to those security cameras in shops, subways, trams, streets etc.
 
I think it is interesting when (street) photographers worry about privacy. I think that for many, photography heightens the awareness of privacy, but the decision as to who should arbitrate what is private is a question of hubris and trust. Nice shots, in any case.
 
marnicq said:
Perhaps a little bit off topic, but I've got a little bit of a tiny question for you guys.
Why do you feel like cameras on the street are offending your privacy?
It's not like you're walking naked on the streets, you're rather just an anonymous guy passing by the camera's image, aren't you?
If you aren't and therefor probably doing something 'criminal' you could as well be seen by a police officer passing by.
And if you don't like camera's on the streets that watch that there's nobody getting robbed or harassed, why wouldn't you mind some random passerbys seeing you - who knows what intentions they might have ...

(this wasn't meant to be offensive in anyway, I just don't live in a perfectly safe neighbourhood - for the least to say - and do feel safer when near a camera)

PS all cameras mentioned here are referring to those security cameras in shops, subways, trams, streets etc.
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I don't know how it works over there but here in the UK it's supposed to be the state and it's officials who are scrutinised by the citizens not the other way round.

I also don't buy the "nothing to hide" defence of all this stuff, I really don't see why I shouldn't have something to hide if I choose, what I do within the law is none of the authorities business
 
Sparrow said:
I don't know how it works over there but here in the UK it's supposed to be the state and it's officials who are scrutinised by the citizens not the other way round.

I also don't buy the "nothing to hide" defence of all this stuff, I really don't see why I shouldn't have something to hide if I choose, what I do within the law is none of the authorities business
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It's good to keep critisizing the state/officials/authorities, I couldn't agree less on that.
I just tend to feel safer with cameras watching my back, I've been robbed, threatend, etc. where I live.. So I prefer someone watching my back when I'm just walking down the street or going to the supermarket.
But I just wonder what's the difference between a police officer looking over a street and a camera looking over the street? Both are authorities that might see you?
As long as they keep the cameras on the streets and not in our living rooms (as they put telescreens in the rooms of people in '1984'), I don't see any problem?
Something I find more harassing tbh is Google Streetview.. as that's something all the world can see..
 
marnicq said:
It's good to keep critisizing the state/officials/authorities, I couldn't agree less on that.
I just tend to feel safer with cameras watching my back, I've been robbed, threatend, etc. where I live.. So I prefer someone watching my back when I'm just walking down the street or going to the supermarket.
But I just wonder what's the difference between a police officer looking over a street and a camera looking over the street? Both are authorities that might see you?
As long as they keep the cameras on the streets and not in our living rooms (as they put telescreens in the rooms of people in '1984'), I don't see any problem?
Something I find more harassing tbh is Google Streetview.. as that's something all the world can see..
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Well policemen can't be fitted with automatic face or number-plate recognition, and should a attack happen they can intervene at the time, rather than someone miles away just watching it happen on TV

I don't imagine BB put the tele-screens straight into peoples homes, he would have put them on street corners first, just for the publics protection of course ... "first they came for the gypsies" and all that
 
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Sparrow said:
Well policemen can't be fitted with automatic face or number-plate recognition, and should a attack happen they can intervene at the time, rather than someone miles away just watching it happen on TV

I don't imagine BB put the tele-screens straight into peoples homes, he would have put them on street corners first, just for the publics protection of course ... "first they came for the gypsies" and all that
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That's true, but the person watching it on the screen might send some officers a few blocks away who wouldn't have known of the incident if there wasn't a camera ...

Anyway let's not go too far on this topic, it's still a photographic forum ..
I've seen quite some great pictures in this topic :)
 
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