21 or 24mm for M8 ?

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Mark D

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My M8 came today :D

Right now my lenses are 35 , 50 and 90.

So I need something on the wide end either a 21 or 24 ?

What I want this lens for is Sci-Fi Conventions where I will be taking pictures of people in costumes. I would like to be able to get most if not all of the person/costume from fairly close to the person. These conventions tend to be packed and shots tend to be taken at close range.

Which would you choose and why ?

Thanks

Mark
 
I suggest for all portraits, whether candid or posed, it will be preferred to rely on the viewfinder framelines for quick and reliable shooting.

The M8 has framelines for the 24mm and in my opinion swings the selection firmly to the 24mm.

I have already bought one in anticipation of M8 being available and it is a stunning lens.
 
21mm = 28mm
24mm = 32mm

Tough call for your intended use. On the one hand 28mm is a nice wide angle. On the other hand 32mm will present your subjects from a more pleasing perspective and you'll not need to use an accessory finder.
 
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I went with the 21 (non asph version).
I had the 24mm, but sold it. Obviously it is a great lens.

My reasoning may be odd, but I didn't want every focal length in the range. I have the 50 non-asph lux, a 35 asph lux along and a 28 ultron.

So I went with the 21 over the 24, for the wider view. But I have no plans on using the accessory finder. I'll just approximate based on the full frame. It seems close enough to me.
 
John,

Did you compare the full frame of the finder with the coverage of the 21/2,8 Asph. ?

Is it the same as with a 28mm finder ?

Lucien
 
I swapped my 21mm asph for the 24mm asph because of the built in framelines on the M8, also at 32mm it is just slightly wider than the 35mm on a film body.

Good luck in your decision, it's a nice one to have to make they are both excellent lenses.

Regards
Eric
 
Don't overlook the Zeiss ZM 25/2.8 and 28/2.8 lenses.

The ZM 25 will NOT pull up the "correct" 24mm frame in the M8. Zeiss is aware of this problem and may be evaluating a service to take previously purchased 25mm Biogons and convert their mounts to one that does work more effectively with the M8. (When used on a film camera, one would most probably use an aux. viewfinder so who cares what frame the ZM 25 invokes on a film camera?)

The Leica 24mm Elmarit is a fabulous lens but it comes at a very dear cost. The ZM lenses may be an attractive alternative for you.

-g
 
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The frameline of the 24mm is well inside the entire viewfinder. While it is true that the widest frameline on the M8 is 24mm but the entire viewfinder basically represents the coverage for the 21mm and that focal length on the M8 being 28mm is perfect for landscape.
 
Well, I ended up going with the 24mm. The main reason being that with my eyesight I really need the 1.25x magnifier to get a good focus. The down side is that it makes it even harder to see the edges of the view window for framing. The up side is that I can put the money difference toward the CV15 for a super wide.

Thanks for the replies.

Mark
 
Leicaiste said:
John,

Did you compare the full frame of the finder with the coverage of the 21/2,8 Asph. ?

Is it the same as with a 28mm finder ?

Lucien
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The actual coverage of the 21 is slightly more than the full viewfinder. I have the 21-24-28 finder, but I haven't used it yet. I prefer not having to use the external finder.
 
either way you will be very happy with your choice. I find the 24 to be my normal lens now and it stays on the camera most of the time. However, the 21 is an amazing lens as well.
 
The right thing for Leica to have done, would be to offer a lower-magnification finder for us wide-angle shooters. A .58 finder would let us use the 24mm frameline easily. Oh, well.
 
I used the 21 Biogon with my M8 because I wore glasses at that time and couldn't comfortably see the 24 mm framelines. The external finder (28 mm) was easy to use. I also went with the Biogon because it had an IR mark and with a 92 or 93 filter, this lens, filter and finder turned my M8 into an infrared point and shoot.

Now I use a M9 and a 21 SEM. The new external viewfinder shows the lines for full frame 21 and cropped 28. I also had surgery and no longer need glasses.

As for finder magnifiers, I had (have) a Metapearls 1.33X adjustable diopter viewfinder magnifier that worked great on lenses 35 mm and up but was hard to use with 28 mm and 24/25 mm lenses on the M8. I still use it every now and then with a 50 mm lens when I want a M3 like view on my M9.
 
I love the ZM 18mm on the M8. It equals a 24mm focal length on a full frame. 21mm is sort of my normal @ 28mm on the M8. While the ZM 24 was a stellar performer, it wasn't wide enough.
 
The Zeiss 25 2.8 ZM was my lens of choice. It lived on my M8 until I sold the camera. Now it lives in my Fuji X-Pro1.
 
I have 2 M8 's one has a 40mm f1.4 Voightlander and the other has a 21mm f4 Voightlander. I am very nearsighted and wear eyeglasses (80+years of age) so I have chosen to fit the 21mm with a 28mm auxilliary finder and the 40mm with a 50mm auxilliary finder. Works out beautifully. I find I really like and use the 21mm very much. Quality is outstanding.
 
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