35 Summilux Pre Asph Hood - Redux

[sepiareverb]

I've always turned the hood so that the tabs are at 12:00 and 6:00 when looking at the camera from the front. I don't find the need to change filters all that often, and since the 21 Super-Angulon uses the same filters I've gathered a decent set for color and B&W.

 

[Rapierwitman]

Okay....44mm-49mm step up ring did the trick and fits the Kodak adaptor perfectly. I can live with the larger frontage and don't think it looks too out of place.

I can now just change the 49mm filter as and when needed. I have a Q as well so bizarrely now have a compatible filter set between the two.

Step up ring was £2.50
Kodak adaptor was £5
Black paint was £6

All in say £13.50.

No dark corners on the test roll so I'm considering this challenge solved! 🙂

 

[Fraser]

Okay....44mm-49mm step up ring did the trick and fits the Kodak adaptor perfectly. I can live with the larger frontage and don't think it looks too out of place.

I can now just change the 49mm filter as and when needed. I have a Q as well so bizarrely now have a compatible filter set between the two.

Step up ring was £2.50
Kodak adaptor was £5
Black paint was £6

All in say £13.50.

No dark corners on the test roll so I'm considering this challenge solved! 🙂

It's not really a hood more of a filter adapter, you've certainly put a lot of effort/thought into the project.

 

[Rapierwitman]

It's not really a hood more of a filter adapter, you've certainly put a lot of effort/thought into the project.

You are quite right. The whole point was to not have a hood. 🙂

 

[michaelwj]

Nice work!

 

[coogee]

Okay....44mm-49mm step up ring did the trick and fits the Kodak adaptor perfectly. I can live with the larger frontage and don't think it looks too out of place.

I can now just change the 49mm filter as and when needed. I have a Q as well so bizarrely now have a compatible filter set between the two.

Step up ring was £2.50
Kodak adaptor was £5
Black paint was £6

All in say £13.50.

No dark corners on the test roll so I'm considering this challenge solved! 🙂

Nice job! Can I revisit exactly what you have on there?
Is it
A Kodak 42mm Series VI slip on adaptor
then
44-49mm Step up Ring (44mm thread fits Series VI right?)
then
49mm filter

Thanks. Think I'll give this one a go myself, I like step-up ring hood solutions for a more compact option.

Is the Kodak 42mm adapter solid enough on the front of the lens to keep the whole thing attached securely? No fear of flying lens hoods?


**Thanks for the feedback below. I've sourced the adaptor/step-up ring. Just got to wait a few weeks for the step-up ring to arrive from China and I'll report back.

 

[Rapierwitman]

Nice job! Can I revisit exactly what you have on there?
Is it
A Kodak 42mm Series VI slip on adaptor
then
44-49mm Step up Ring (44mm thread fits Series VI right?)
then
49mm filter

Thanks. Think I'll give this one a go myself, I like step-up ring hood solutions for a more compact option.

Is the Kodak 42mm adapter solid enough on the front of the lens to keep the whole thing attached securely? No fear of flying lens hoods?

All correct above. The Kodak Series VI is a tough one to find though. I found one in a very small camera shop in London. I could only find it in silver as well. The step up ring I could only find from China and on that big auction site and then yes a 49mm filter. All threads are fine.

The adaptor ring has adjustable flanges so you adjust the fit as you like. When you first try to fit it you'll think it's too small but a bit of gentle adjustments and it will be solid as rock. No movement, no rotating, no scratching of the lens barrel. Good luck!

 

[maddoc]

Finally I made my own hood following Michael`s approach but without integrating any filter as of yet. I used the Minolta D42KA and a Leitz 12526 hood that I already had (and also a hood cap from the 28/2.8 ASPH Elmarit).

Leica M4 BP, 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH

 

[michaelwj]

Nice to see Gabor!
How's it working for you?

 

[maddoc]

Nice to see Gabor!
How's it working for you?

Thank you, Michael! It works very well and also allows me to use the designated hood cap (same cap as for the 28/2.8 Elmarit ASPH) to protect the front element against dust or in rain.

 

[Cid Cain]

I realize this is an old thread and a subject that's been discussed a lot, but something I can't seem to figure out with regard to a pre-asph Summilux hood is that neither a 12504 or 12524 comes anywhere close to fitting my summilux (SN 239xxxx), or at least the particular samples of those hoods I have. And I don't think it's just a matter of worn retaining clips, since there seems to be a gap of a full ~1mm on every side of the lens with these hoods, and like I said, are nowhere close to fitting.

Was there a change to the physical size of the front of the Summilux at some point in its development? I know there was apparently an optical formula change at some point in the ~21-22xxxxx range of serial numbers, but I've never seen reference to a physical change in the lens.

I see references here to a 42mm diameter lens front. I measure mine at 39mm (maybe 40). And that's the exterior, not interior of course. Does anyone else have this experience? And any ideas for a hood in this case?

 

[Erik van Straten]

The Ollux (12522H) fits the lenses 176XXXX - 2166700.

All the later lenses use the 12504 hood (fits also the 35mm Summicron 11309). Some of those hoods do not have any engravings at all.

The lenses before 2166701 are called "steel rim". These have a steel rim on the front on wich the Ollux (12522H) can be mounted.

The steel rim lenses have a filter ring. The later ones do not. In the filter ring of a steel rim a lens hood with a 41mm thread can be mounted.

The lenses above 2166700 have no filter ring. Filters for those lenses can be put in the 12504 hood wich is also a filter holder.

Erik.

 

[Cid Cain]

The Ollux (12522H) fits the lenses 176XXXX - 2166700.

All the later lenses use the 12504 hood (fits also the 35mm Summicron 11309). Some of those hoods do not have any engravings at all.

Hmm, I wonder why the 12504/12524 is so far from fitting my lens. Thank you for the information though.

 

[Erik van Straten]

Hmm, I wonder why the 12504/12524 is so far from fitting my lens. Thank you for the information though.

Maybe your lens is altered. Can you show it?


Erik.

 

[Cid Cain]

Maybe your lens is altered. Can you show it?


Erik.

Sure thing. Please see below. In the third image, I tried showing the gap between the outside of the lens and inside of the hood (in this case, the 12524, with plastic tabs filed down); it's out of focus, but you can see the metal retaining clips on all sides of the lens, not even close to going in the grooves on the lens. Hopefully you can see well enough with the RFF size limit.

 

[Erik van Straten]

Then it is clear why de shades do not fit.

There is no filter thread to mount a shade either.

Maybe you can clamp something on the front ring.

Erik.

 

[Cid Cain]

Then it is clear why de shades do not fit.

You mean clear because the lens front is too small, correct? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out, since I haven't seen any information/references to the front of these lenses changing in size (eg from 42mm outer diameter as referenced by others to the ~39mm outer diamater on this lens).

Either way, yes, I guess I'll need to figure out some custom solution.

 

[Cid Cain]

So, in comparing my lens to others online, it appears there's some sort of additional part on the front ring of these lenses that's been removed from mine. I wonder if one of these parts can be located and reinstalled...

 

[Erik van Straten]

I guess the part on wich the hood must be clamped was removed and replaced with some other part because the repairman did not have the correct part.

Maybe you can contact a repairman to see if the original part is still available. Maybe he knows the part number. Then you can look for the part on the internet.

The lens in its present condition can be used, but only without a hood. Maybe you can improvise something that can act as a lens hood until you'll find the correct parts.

Erik.

 

[Glenn2]

Cid, I don’t think that’s the correct hood for the 35 Lux. I bought mine new in the early seventies, it’s just after yours in serial number. The hood that came with it is the #12504 which measures 1.657” ID. The end of the lens it fits over measures 1.654” OD.

The hood screws apart to take series 7 filters.

Check measurements to see what’s wrong. Incidentally I paid $190 for the lens and hood brand new back then. 😀

Glenn