35mm folders and 120 scale focus -- where to post?

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I was wondering if there's a "35mm Folder" camera thread anywhere and if there's a "120 scale focus" camera thread anywhere? If there is either I can't find it.
Any help would be much appreciated.
 
Drinwc, If you mean if I look at the main"forum list", at present I can only see "Scale focus 35's" and "120 film rf folders". Earlier today I did search for both but only found a list of threads, none of which were single threads for all 120 scale focus cameras or all 35mm folders.

As usual with almost any of my posts that someone answers, I've just realised what I should've asked: "Are there any forums for 35mm folders or for 120 scale focus cameras?" 🙄
 
We at RFF love new threads.

Many of us have MF (120 film, either 6x6 or 6x9) scale-focus folders tucked away, lying forgotten and neglected. The high cost of roll film nowadays may have something to do with this.

I have two. A ca 1950 Zeiss Nettar 6x6 with the primitive (well, I think) Albada type viewfinder on top, and a late model (so 1953 or 1954) Voigtlander Perkeo I. Both have the then-optional Synchro-Compur shutters that were available as an add-on extra in that era, with the full range of speeds from 1 second to 1/500. The Nettar has the standard 80/4.5 Novar lens, an adequate if not super stellar performer but still capable of good images up to 5x7 or 8x10 The Perkeo came with the Voigtlander 75/4.5 Color Skopar, which was a top-range lens in its time and is still a great lens.

Both were acquired by chance in the mid-'00s when old film cameras were being dumped en masse to partly fund the purchase of the first digital prosumers - dor have we all forgotten those long-obsolete 5.1 and 6.1 MP models? As so many 1950 film folders were little used, owned as they were by amateurs, many were as new. Certainly my Zeiss was pristine while the Perkeo had seen some use, maybe as a travel camera or in someone's backpack for weekend bush walks or visits to the beach.

Both still make fine B&W and color negatives if used carefully. In the '50s photographers who could afford them often had a Weston Master exposure meter, a II or a III. Of which I also own a box full. They worked off a selenium cell and so had to be kept in the dark in their fitted cases, which means they often still work quite well if a tad slow. Mine mostly read up to a half stop under with one or two, the latest Weston IVs, Vs or Euroasters which date to much later, still giving spot-on readings.

Until about 10 years ago folders were dirt-cheap and to be found in many shops selling used things or often in charity stores. In my time I've owned several Afga 6x6 folders - which all had pinholes in the bellows so I quickly sold them off to collectors - and a few odd-brand English folders, 6x6 and 6x9, also sold as I found them too bulky for my liking. I also had a wonderful Bessa 6x6 which was as new and in its box with the instruction booklet, a lens hood and two filters. I've forgotten what lens it had but it was a good one, color-corrected. This little beauty eventually went to a Japanese collector who paid me super well for it, but oh, I do miss that beautiful piece of machinery...

Using a folder is fun but takes a bit of mental work. The Sweet Sixteen exposure method works okay with B&W and color, with the latter one has to remember to overexpose by up to a full stop depending not he light - not so with monochrome film where overexposure just flattens the tones and makes printing or even scanning a misery.

Another good point worth reeling with a folder is to plan a workflow that involves winding on to the next exposure immediately after making the last one, and cocking the shuttle (my two are entirely manual with levers for cocking) before taking the follow-up picture. I find nothing more annoying than to hold up the camera for an action image only to find I had forgotten to cock the damn thing, so I miss that photo.

Small accessories for many folders are readily available, from Ebay also in charity shops or those wonderful treasure-troves, the $1 and $2 (more nowadays with inflation more like $5 and $10) boxes of old photo flotsam in the sadly fast-vanishing photo retail shops.
 
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I have a 120 folder - a Voigtländer Perkeo II (6x6 format), amongst others - and a rasher of 35mm folders (Voigtländer Vito II et al). I name those two because both of them are also scale focus models. I've had both of them serviced so I know they're in good working order. And I hunted up the instruction manuals for both, so I'm fully aware of all the technical details of their operation.

Far as I'm concerned, they're pretty simple to understand and operate. The most complicated part of both of them is learning how to load film correctly... After that, it's "set the distance, set the exposure, cock the shutter, frame the subject, and press the shutter release. Then wind the film to the next exposure." With a light meter, additionally meter the light and get (slightly) more consistent exposures in poor lighting situations. Nothing much to it... Neither camera has a ton of other controls or capabilities. And they're typical of 35mm and 120 folders...

The most usual questions I've fielded from time to time are "... Mine's broken. Who will service these cameras? ..." which changes from time to time as shops and service technicians come and go.

So what kinds of questions do you have?

G
 
Thanks for al the replies and the info.

The problem with starting a thread about 35mm folders, whether RF or scale focus, is I wouldn't know where to shove it as there isn't a forum for them here.

I know there's a "120 RF folders" forum but that doesn't mention scale focus 120's, and there are scale focus 120's that aren't folders and there's no forum for them listed.

I have had several scale focus 120 folders - Ensign Selfix 420, 820, 20 model 5 (with f4.5 lens, speeds 1-1/250th and self timer which I thought was the best version of it that you could get but there's a version with rangefinder!) A Welta Perle (probably, but it had "Welta" on the front right where you'd normally get the model name eg Perle, Symbol etc.) ALL had trouble winding the film on towards the end as it always got really hard to turn the wind knob.

At present there are no particular questions I want to ask about 35mm folders or scale focus 120's, Just wondered why there seem to be no forum for them.
 
Thanks for al the replies and the info.

The problem with starting a thread about 35mm folders, whether RF or scale focus, is I wouldn't know where to shove it as there isn't a forum for them here.

I know there's a "120 RF folders" forum but that doesn't mention scale focus 120's, and there are scale focus 120's that aren't folders and there's no forum for them listed.

I have had several scale focus 120 folders - Ensign Selfix 420, 820, 20 model 5 (with f4.5 lens, speeds 1-1/250th and self timer which I thought was the best version of it that you could get but there's a version with rangefinder!) A Welta Perle (probably, but it had "Welta" on the front right where you'd normally get the model name eg Perle, Symbol etc.) ALL had trouble winding the film on towards the end as it always got really hard to turn the wind knob.

At present there are no particular questions I want to ask about 35mm folders or scale focus 120's, Just wondered why there seem to be no forum for them.

I don't think there's a need for a specific "forum" ... They're just cameras. Ask questions of the whole community if you have them, there's no real need to keep a separate forum for every specific type and kind of camera.

G
 
Agree with Godfrey, with all the camera varieties unless there is a compelling reason I think keeping the number of forums to a minimum is preferable.

I have way too many 120 folders, almost all of them in good shape. Recently I’ve noticed that I tend to only shoot the ones with rangefinders (both coupled and uncoupled) mostly because I suck at estimating distance but also because I have a mix of cameras whose lenses are marked solely in meters or feet (was it really that difficult to print both scales???) so that’s another conversion I need to do. I also have a bunch of auxiliary rangefinders but that’s something else I need to lug around. But I do love shooting my 6x9s and playing with that giant negative!
 
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