k__43
Registered Film User
that part is almost offensive
0.7 is obviously nice to have when you are sitting on a table in a bar with people and try to take discrete portraits of them (exactly my problem)
I'm so in love with the sonnar look that I'm unable to swap my C-sonnar for a nokton asph that would do the trick.
I still think that IF they would change the focal lenght of this new lens to leica standard and get the focus accurately it would be a hell of a lens (and get the production in check).
If they just refurbish what they found in old boxes then you are right.
Also (as I said before) I'm someone that never buys new with these things so I see the competition to the second hand market very well. If you compare to brand new prices the only lens that comes close is the Nokton ASPH which is probably the better performer (but oh my that Sonnar character).
What would you think would Nikon and Canon charge if they would re-release their Sonnar-copies?
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
Does it need to be shimmed to reach "real leica screw mount" standard?
I never trust sample images from Lomography. For example, they've used images from the original Russar lens as sample images for the new Russar they sell.
I never trust sample images from Lomography. For example, they've used images from the original Russar lens as sample images for the new Russar they sell.
How do you know?
sweathog
Well-known
I may be a bit late to the party, but I find that price mind blowing. Whilst I have noticed a significant increase in prices since last time round when I was buying gear, I'm pretty sure I paid about a tenth of what they are asking for my J3, which was a cracking lens. Utterly regretting parting ways with it now, but at the time I had little choice.
Whilst I have always been quietly pro Lomo, as one can never argue with a company that is pushing film photography and making it a viable option, I always quietly seethe at them whenever they release something 'new' as it does seem to lead to an artificial inflation in prices of the original item. Maybe I'm just a bitter, miserly man, though?
Whilst I have always been quietly pro Lomo, as one can never argue with a company that is pushing film photography and making it a viable option, I always quietly seethe at them whenever they release something 'new' as it does seem to lead to an artificial inflation in prices of the original item. Maybe I'm just a bitter, miserly man, though?
raid
Dad Photographer
If they make a Zeiss design lens tack sharp, and they keep its main charteristics in tact, and if the minimum RF focus distance is really 60cm, then this price is OK. Maybe.
If we start to equate the new lens with the original J-3, I see differences. The original J-3 has charm, character, history, and flaws. The new J3+ iss till unknown to me.
If we start to equate the new lens with the original J-3, I see differences. The original J-3 has charm, character, history, and flaws. The new J3+ iss till unknown to me.
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
Check this sample shot from Russar+ gallery:
(copy the link and paste)
microsites.lomography.com/russar-lens/images/analogue/russar-lens-analogue-photo-11.jpg?14376035697
microsites.lomography.com/russar-lens/photos/analogue/
Apparently that's the original Russar lens with KMZ logo.
Noserider
Christiaan Phleger
Didn't Dante Stella point out that Russian LTM lenses have a slight difference in the helicoid which results in consistent focus errors because the helicoid is based on the Contax rather than the Leica? If they used the same tooling but just substituted brass for aluminum would the focus errors still remain?
znapper
Well-known
Just to be on the safe-side, I pulled the trigger on a J3 on eBay because of this. The prices are steadily increasing, so might as well just purchase one now.
- I shim them for M-mount myself, provided that they aren't duds, the operation is almost trivial.
- I shim them for M-mount myself, provided that they aren't duds, the operation is almost trivial.
According to Lomo, that problem was taken care of in the new lenses.
I will be testing for that when the lenses arrive in about 10 days.
Stephen
k__43
Registered Film User
awesome news! can't wait to hear qualified feedback.
if you are talking to them - tell them people need black lenses !
uhoh7
Veteran
I think it's great a nice well calibrated version in brass in now available. The build looks very good. .7 is great.
Are there any cheap brand new M or LTM 50mms, f/2 or faster?
A good LTM Zeiss 50/1.5 brings 400 easy for a 50+ year old lens.
Dante thinks if it's the old design 650 is rich, but is it cheaper to grind elements to the old spec?
We do see some cheap 50s for the DSLRs, but they are mass produced, and that brings the cost down.
Are there any cheap brand new M or LTM 50mms, f/2 or faster?
A good LTM Zeiss 50/1.5 brings 400 easy for a 50+ year old lens.
Dante thinks if it's the old design 650 is rich, but is it cheaper to grind elements to the old spec?
We do see some cheap 50s for the DSLRs, but they are mass produced, and that brings the cost down.
Sid836
Well-known
I think it's great a nice well calibrated version in brass in now available. The build looks very good. .7 is great.
Are there any cheap brand new M or LTM 50mms, f/2 or faster?
A good LTM Zeiss 50/1.5 brings 400 easy for a 50+ year old lens.
Dante thinks if it's the old design 650 is rich, but is it cheaper to grind elements to the old spec?
We do see some cheap 50s for the DSLRs, but they are mass produced, and that brings the cost down.
What about the voigtlanter lenses? They are cheaper, faster (1.4), come in M and L39 mounts, they aren't plastic, and I bet another 599€ that the J3+ won't be any good compared to these.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
Huss
Veteran
Which CV lenses are you talking about? They do not make any new 50mm LTM lenses, and have no new 50mm M mount lenses faster and cheaper than the Lomo.
The CV Nokton 50 1.5 is $800 or $950 if you want brass like the Lomo. The Nokton 50 1.1 is $900. The slower 50 Heliar f2 is $800.
The Lomo is $650
Sid836
Well-known
Don't think so!
Voigtlander M 50mm f/1.5 Nokton Aspherical Lens - Leica M Mount Lens - Black $760 that is 700 euros.
Locally I can have it for 610 New in the box and with warranty.
http://www.amazon.com/Voigtlander-5..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0C6S99VKMTD61AS46B9R
Not to mention that you can get the 40mm 1.4 in M mount for half the price of the Lomo lens.
Jockos
Well-known
Not to mention indeed, the 40 is nothing like the 50.
DominikDUK
Well-known
700 Euros is still more than the quoted price for the Lomo, even the 610 Euros is more than the quoted price for the Lomo. Regarding the 40mm 1.4 well this lens is pretty much useless on an LTM camera aside from the fact that the focal length isn't supported by any mainstream ltm camera viewfinder.
Furthermore if LOMO is the mfg I wouldn't dismiss them, modern Lomo cine lenses are optically nearly on par with Zeiss lenses and we are talking the T1.3 line of Lomo lenses. Mechanically they are no match to Zeiss but what is. Even the best Voigtländer/Cosina lenses are optically inferior to good Lomo cine lenses and are definitely outclassed by Lomo Space and military optics.
The price isn't out of bound for a new lens in any way, the original Zeiss Sonnar was a great lens, if Lomo can match the lens' optical quality the price is more than fair (for a new lens)
k__43
Registered Film User
hey .. I know of a 50 f/2 lens that costs 6950€ why don't we start comparing everything to this?
Sid836
Well-known
It seems that you are missing something in here. We are not talking about Lomo (the manufacturer), but for Lomography (go through the thread).
Useless? Really?
Sid836
Well-known
The bet is if it is worthy of 599euros for what it gives. Personally I'd rather spend double that amount for a well reputed proven quality lens than buy anything from the masters of plagiarism.