.58 users: what is the widest lens you use without an auxiliary VF?

Ken Ford

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I've never been able to spend time with a .58 M body, and I'm curious - how wide are you comfortable going by using the entire viewfinder outside the 28mm framelines? I'm assuming around 24/25mm, but you know what they say about assumptions!
 
it seems to work quite well with my 25, is fantastic with my 35 [I wear glasses], and is fine for my 50, although I usually put a magnifier on for the 90. I have a .72 as well, but use the .58 far more.
 
It's great without a viewfinder for a 25mm but my next widest lens is the CV 15mm for which you do need one. I'm interested in hearing what users of 21mm lenses do.
 
I use the full viewfinder for my 25mm lens. I have a diopter on my M6 so I don't need my glasses. If I use the full viewfinder the finder will be close to using the aux viewfinder and really is a lot easier to use.

Leo
 
Ken, I owned an M6TTL briefly thinking it would remove the need for accessory viewfinders, but I found it wasn't the case. The .58 finder does a decent job of framing the 24mm fov, but it gives you no sense of the effect of using a 24mm lens.
 
Ken, the Leica finder, even in the .58, doesn't really give a sense of the perspective change and distortion you get with a lens 28mm or wider. I found myself getting unexpected results using the 24mm, in particular. I think the individual finders give a better indication of the image that will make it to film. 🙂
 
I can use my 24mm with the .58 finder if I need or want to. I do not rely on the finder to show where the frame edges are, because it doesn't. But I can use the camera finder to line up my verticals and horizontals and basically compose the shot the way I want it. Then I rely on my judgment, my sense of the actual coverage of the 24mm lens.

That said, I use an auxiliary finder with the 24, most of the time. have the Zeiss 25/28; the Leitz 24; and the CV 25, and I find them all pretty satisfactory.

I agree that the Camera's finder does not give a good sense of the perspective of a lens this wide. But I would not say that the auxiliary finders are all that much better in that regard. Some have some distortions of their own that are a bit different from those of the lenses. The Zeiss is probably the most distortion-free. I think the best way to see what the lens sees is to use an SLR with lenses that wide; but then you don't get the same kind of image quality. There's no perfect solution, I guess.
 
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