6-7 help/advice

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shaaktiman

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Hi,

I've been shooting with a 35mm bessa r2 for awhile now and I'm ready to make the jump to medium format. I like rangefinders and I've settled on either getting a Plaubel Makina or one of the mamiya 6-7s. Can anyone give me some advice on these? I like the 6x6 frame, so I'm gravitating towards the 6 but I've heard that the lenses for the 7 are a lot better. Any expereinces with both? What's a good used price for a user 6 or 7 with a 75mm lens?

thanks for your help.

adam
 
The 7 may have a wider range of lens choice, but I can't see that they could be any better than the Mamiya 6's. I'd stay away from the Plaubel Makina as it has become an expensive collectable, and the front standard is fragile with increasing age.
 
whoever told you that the 7 lenses were better then the 6 must have been drinking abit too much that day.

the lenses for the 6 are painfully sharp.

joe
 
No appreciable difference between quality of 6 & 7 lenses. You just have more focal length options on the 7(65mm, 43mm). However, if you don't need more than a 50mm, the M6 doesn't need an external finder like the M7.

If someone saw problems with M6 lenses compared to M7, I'd be inclined to look at the RF adjustment of the M6 before the lenses.

T.
 
FrankS said:
The 7 may have a wider range of lens choice, but I can't see that they could be any better than the Mamiya 6's. I'd stay away from the Plaubel Makina as it has become an expensive collectable, and the front standard is fragile with increasing age.

I have the 6, which I love and I can't see there being much difference in lens quality between this and the 7. The influence that the difference in format has on the way you see is more important, together with some advantage from the 7 in negative area if you make large prints using the full format.

For 6 x 7 I still love the Plaubels though Frank. Even more compact than the 6 or 7, you can slip them in a large coat pocket. The Nikkor lenses on these are great. IMHO they are more than the equal of the Mamiya's.

I did have two, the 67 (80mm Nikkor) and W67 (55mm Nikkor) and both have proved reliable over the years, although you must treat them with a little care. They have as you say become collectors items though, which now makes them a pricey purchase as a users camera (and spares may be in short supply). The recent values did persuaded me to sell the 67 to part fund my R-D1 purchase recently, but I couldn't bear to be parted from the W67.
 
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The lenses are all of similar quality.

The only thing that might even come into the equation is that Mamiya no longer has a means of fixing the occasional '6' film advance irregularities.

Then again, I have a Universal, a camera they've not stocked parts in a LONG time.
 
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I also have the W67. I have beat it up pretty badly over the years and it has held up better than most from what I've read on the net. But I don't think I would get another. The only advantage it has over the Mamiya 7 is its size and this does not offset the price and reliabilty issues in my opinion.
 
Didn't read your post carefully.
If you prefer the square format, that should be your deciding factor. Get the 6 and don't worry about the lens quality, camera size, etc.
 
I am not really a fan of the square format (I have a TLR). When I approached the Mamiya 7, I felt a little bit worried by the almost square format (being used to 24x36). I have however found that 6x7 is a very pleasing aspect ratio in may situations.

There are no ideal format of course, there are always situations when the square is right as there are situations when you want panoramic.

I agree with Gary, let the format you prefer be the deciding factor. Have you tried 6x7?
 
I find that,
1) it's easier to crop to a rectangle from your original square than vice versa;
2) when working in square format, you never have to rotate the camera; you just crop later;
3) squares are somehow more coherent than rectangles.

Obviously this is very subjective. Go with what you feel most comfortable with.
 
Plaubel Makina W67

Plaubel Makina W67

Jim Watts said:
I have the 6, which I love and I can't see there being much difference in lens quality between this and the 7. The influence that the difference in format has on the way you see is more important, together with some advantage from the 7 in negative area if you make large prints using the full format.

For 6 x 7 I still love the Plaubels though Frank. Even more compact than the 6 or 7, you can slip them in a large coat pocket. The Nikkor lenses on these are great. IMHO they are more than the equal of the Mamiya's.

I did have two, the 67 (80mm Nikkor) and W67 (55mm Nikkor) and both have proved reliable over the years, although you must treat them with a little care. They have as you say become collectors items though, which now makes them a pricey purchase as a users camera (and spares may be in short supply). The recent values did persuaded me to sell the 67 to part fund my R-D1 purchase recently, but I couldn't bear to be parted from the W67.
Plaubel Makina W67 questions. I am searching for people who have experience using the Plaubel Makina W67. I am seriously considering switching over to using a W67 from my Leica as I want the medium format resolution. I specifically want the wide angle lens as well. I am considering a Mamiya 7 with 50mm lens as the other option. The Nikor 55 is almost as wide. Do you have any images you can share that you have taken with the W67? Also, any advice about the feasibility of purchasing a W67, given their weak points concerning repair and also the high prices being asked?
 
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Arne,
I have attached a picture that I had to hand (full frame & a 100% crop), but I'm not sure that you can learn much about the Makina W67 from it as:
1. It is scanned on a Epson flat bed scanner. You would need at least a high quality medium format film scanner (Nikon 9000ED or Minolta Multi Pro.) or preferably a drum scan to show what the camera/lens is cabable of. (Unfortunately I can't afford one).
2. To get a resonable file size to post these are "8" quality jpegs, which obviously degrade the image.
3. Original is Fuji HR400 Colour Negative.

The 55mm Nikkor is a very good lens and at least you can see from the attached that the "drawing" is good.

I love this camera which I purchased secondhand some years ago for about 600 GBP ($1,000) , but would I buy one secondhand now? I think only if I really loved the way it handles (which I do) and needed the compactness. Secondhand prices in the U.K. high, now about 1,000 GBP ($1,800) and the cameras are a lot older now, so are more likely to give problems.

I have only had one problem with my (now rather worn) W67 example a few years back and that was the shutter linkage breaking. Fairly common (happened a few times with the 80mm Makina 67, I had, where the linkage is longer because of the greater bellows extension.) but it was not too expensive to repair at the time in the U.K. My understanding though was that Fotoadvise, the then U.K. importer had brought all the remaining spares from Plaubel when they stopped production. I'm not sure they are still around or what the spares situation in the U.S is. So be aware as others have said that spares may be a problem.

Other problems are the rangefinder getting out of alignment (commonly caused by folding the camera closed without returning the focus to infinity, a real no, no especailly with the 80mm version), the light trapping in the back disintergrating (its made from plastic that goes sticky), both these happened with my 67 80mm. I have also seen the meter not working (usually poor contacts or corrosion in the battery compartment) and one would want to check the bellows carefully for pinholes, although I have never had any problem with the bellows on my two examples. I would not buy without seeing and checking carefully for all this and preferably running a film through before purchase. I think most of these problems are unlikely to need parts replacement and any competant repairer should be able to deal with them. (and there are companies that supply replacement bellows).

The Mamiya lenses are as good as the Nikkors (I have the 3 lenses for the 6) although I think I personally would prefer my 55mm over the 50mm on 6 x 7, and you do have to use a seperate viewfinder on the Mamiya - a disadvantage I think. You do have the choice of the 65mm lens of course. The Mamiya 7II is still in production (I think, but things alter quickly in the film camera world these days) and in the U.K. good secondhand 7II bodies go for 550GBP (400 GBP for a 7) and a 50mm lens and viewfinder is about 750GBP (all dealer prices). A S/H 7II and 65mm (no viewfider needed) would be about the same price as a S/H Plaubel, at least in the U.K. and with the 50mm only slightly more. I think it would be the more reliable buy these days unless you can't live without the particular qulities of the Plaubel.

Jim
 
I also have a 6 and love it. Mamiya may no longer have the parts, but there are many camera repair shops that can handle the repair.
 
Arne,
I have only just seen your other post about W67 images in the Medium Format Other thread. I have posted a couple of street pictures there to give you some idea of the angle of view.

Jim
 
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