jsrockit
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Exactly... you can't have perfection and still have it cheap.
7artisans 28mm f/1.4 Leica M lens
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Exactly... you can't have perfection and still have it cheap.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Why would they need to do it, here is many VFs available. 🙂.
On serious note, M became universal lens mount for mirrorless MF FF lenses.
It is nice they are still keeping RF in mind, but 7A market in on A7.
ampguy
Veteran
How is the distortion on the 7A 50 1.1 ?
rangefinderlove123
Established
The DOF scale on these Artisans 7 lenses are completely skewed and unusable... the lenses work ok for RF focusing, not zone focusing
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
giganova
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I will never understand why anyone would want a Leica and not use their lenses. Isn't that what makes Leica so special? But that's just me, I guess 😀 There's plenty of Canon/Nikon/Sigma 28/1.8 lenses out there that cost a dime and are not much "slower." If you want an underperforming lens, why not get a Rokinon 24/1.4 and a cheap Canon/Nikon body, for example? 😉
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
What a day. One next to another one. 😀
Nether heard of Garry Winogrand? Never hear what he was saying about RF vs Leica? And never seen him with Canon glass on Ms ?
And why it is OK to use Rokinon on Canonikon, but not OK to use J-3 on M?
Anyway, I'm sure third one is coming. But I'm taking cover in da basement. Printing in the dark is calling. 🙂
bayernfan
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I do agree with this to a degree. Not only did Leitz make some of the finest cameras, they made some of the finest optics. Sure, there are some other fantastic (bargain) lenses, but you're missing out on the complete Leitz experience without one of the lenses.
Archlich
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In short: but the Leica glasses are so expensive. $6590 for the 28/1.4 - no thanks. But $659 (hopefully) won't hurt in comparison.
Leica lenses are good but not the only good ones out there, nor would they always be the ones that fit my need best. For instance I'm so fond of the Konica UC-Hexanon 35/2, which is vastly better crafted than the (often wobbly, even made in Germany) 35 cron v4. What makes up the M mount ecosystem is the complete experience, at least to me. Glad it's still growing at a healthy rate.
peterm1
Veteran
Too true, spoken like a real camera buff and lens addict.
:^)
PS Please tell my wife this.
bayernfan
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yes, you can pick out a few (maybe 3 or 4) Leica lenses that were not up to the standards we would expect from the company.
But that's 3 or 4 out of 100 or so? Does Konica have that kind of track record?
presspass
filmshooter
Ultimately, if it gives you photos you like, it's a good lens. The Leica/non-Leica argument reminds me of the fights about German vs. Canadian Leica lenses. The photos matter, not who makes the lenses.
bayernfan
Well-known
i certainly don't feel like i'm arguing with anyone. and i certainly hope we can compare the attributes of different lenses in a lens forum.
Michael I.
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a little off topic, any thoughts on this bad boy?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1303275-REG/handevision_2424_lcm_s_iberit_24mm_f_2_4_for.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1303275-REG/handevision_2424_lcm_s_iberit_24mm_f_2_4_for.html
Archlich
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Konica M lenses and the few limited LTM lenses are impeccably built...but I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Nothing is perfect. So does Konica. So are Leica and Leica lenses. I assume it's common sense?
Personally, I don't think I'm missing out anything since I'm not using 100% Leica lenses. The M is just a mount standard, let there be no myth around it. I've used and studied a lot and consider myself knowing what I'm doing.
bayernfan
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By no means am I in favor of a 100% Leica lens lineup. I myself use and prefer different brands for certain focal lengths. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that there are a few Leica lenses that warrant their price, not only in terms of build quality, but in their ability to produce unique image characteristics. If you exclude a lens solely because of its (relatively) high price, you could be missing out on a truly wonderful photographic experience.
raid
Dad Photographer
"Designed in Germany and made in China ('Handevision' is a portmanteau term - ‘Han’ signifies 'China' in Mandarin, while the following two letters ‘De’ represent the first two letters of 'Deutschland') the Iberit line is intended to be a low-cost alternative to 'own-brand' lenses and established third-party primes, for photographers dipping their toes into manual focus photography."
willie_901
Veteran
People with digital Ms and those with film Ms who digitize their images have a common, straightforward solution for vignetting. Some post-production platforms even offer parameters to adjust the corrections to match a lens' vignetting shape and even support correction for asymmetrical vignetting patterns.
retinax
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"If they have no bread, why don't they eat cake?" comes to mind...
Seriously, the reason for me to use a RF camera for wides, even if one cannot afford or justify Leica lenses, is that RFs allow more precise focusing of wides than SLRs.
bayernfan
Well-known
If that's the way you want to read into it... 😛
Some people will buy 5 crap items that add up to 1 nice item. And they'll feel like they got a better deal. I'm not saying that's the case here, but that "if it's cheaper it's a better deal no matter what" mentality is becoming more pervasive in our society.
