Huss
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I agree about the typeface. It just doesnt look primo. That is why earlier I wrote:
7Artisans 35mm vs Cron Asph on M240
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I agree about the typeface. It just doesnt look primo. That is why earlier I wrote:
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Very entertaining thread! Probably, my Summarit-M 35 2.5 will give more distortions in test shot like this. 🙂
You not going to find any talks about CV CS 3D pop. But Biogon C has earned it.
Here is no need to use lab scans and loupe, plenty of photos to see where Biogon C is superior to Color Skopar, which is just neutral lens on color and flat one on bw.
I owned and used heavily all of the three versions of CV CS 35 2.5.
PII became loose on focus tab and lens block after exclusive use on M4-2.
I purchased Summarit 35 2.5 and never looked back. This one holds the use well comparing to getting loose CV and wobbling Zeiss.
You not going to find any talks about CV CS 3D pop. But Biogon C has earned it.
Here is no need to use lab scans and loupe, plenty of photos to see where Biogon C is superior to Color Skopar, which is just neutral lens on color and flat one on bw.
I owned and used heavily all of the three versions of CV CS 35 2.5.
PII became loose on focus tab and lens block after exclusive use on M4-2.
I purchased Summarit 35 2.5 and never looked back. This one holds the use well comparing to getting loose CV and wobbling Zeiss.
Sounds like MS Optics quality control lol 😀
Hopefully you have better luck with your second copy!
thafred
silver addict
Yes to this, 1000x this!
Might I add that if the same 7artisans lens was an 40year old vintage we would all rave about the cheap Summicron Killer from the 80s..also it would sell for >800$ if it was vintage with this picture quality and handling 😉
I´m a fan allready, would like a 50mm f1.1 too but It is too close to my 50mm f1.2 canon ltm unfortunately (IQ looks almost identical from the pictures)
thafred
silver addict
Thanks! honestly I did only see that with my M9 CCD sensor, on my Film M cameras the lens was quite perfect. Also for 210€ from aliexpress this is not really comparable to MS Optics, is it?
I dunno, Huss, snapping away at infinity and f8 isn't exactly an extremely controlled environment 😉
True, that. With MS Optics you're paying for rarity & the novelty factor. You're certainly not paying for IQ, build quality, or ergonomics - all of which are pretty woeful 😀
raid
Dad Photographer
I like my 7A 50/1,1. It is a very good lens. It was cheap too.
MIkhail
Well-known
This is not how I pictured you, as I never have seen the face but have read your comments 🙂
I agree on the conclusion that lenses come close enough, for general intents and purposes.
Both lenses are too sharp for my taste.
P.S.
Two obvious points:
1) if photographic image' s worth is defined by the beauty of bokeh quality or level of sharpness then god help that photographer
2) All this proves nothing. Yes, other lens can deliver similar results. So as other (no-Leica) camera. So what. That's not why we want Leica. That's not why one buys Cadillac or BMW.
I agree on the conclusion that lenses come close enough, for general intents and purposes.
Both lenses are too sharp for my taste.
P.S.
Two obvious points:
1) if photographic image' s worth is defined by the beauty of bokeh quality or level of sharpness then god help that photographer
2) All this proves nothing. Yes, other lens can deliver similar results. So as other (no-Leica) camera. So what. That's not why we want Leica. That's not why one buys Cadillac or BMW.
rscheffler
Well-known
I'm a fan of both the 7artisans 35/2 and 50/1.1, but neither is 'perfect' or possibly even close to it.
Referring to the 35/2 specifically, I was impressed by good sharpness at near distances in the central area of the frame. That is what we see in the samples here. However, as also mentioned by another member, at least my copy, if used for farther distance subjects that span the frame (landscapes), where I might want good across frame performance, the lens is a disappointment. It doesn't reach acceptable edge sharpness even by f/8. If I want a somewhat smeary look, then it's great. My copy also easily produces noticeable veiling flare in some backlit situations (i.e. a room light at or just outside the frame). The 6-bit coding of my copy also does not work with my M240, but the 50/1.1's coding does.
Am I disappointed? Not really. I think it's a nice lens for people photos with imperfections that are manageable and result in images that potentially aren't as sterile as modern designs. My take everywhere 35mm remains the Voigtlander 35/1.7 because it's a great performer in most respects with an attractive price/performance ratio.
Referring to the 35/2 specifically, I was impressed by good sharpness at near distances in the central area of the frame. That is what we see in the samples here. However, as also mentioned by another member, at least my copy, if used for farther distance subjects that span the frame (landscapes), where I might want good across frame performance, the lens is a disappointment. It doesn't reach acceptable edge sharpness even by f/8. If I want a somewhat smeary look, then it's great. My copy also easily produces noticeable veiling flare in some backlit situations (i.e. a room light at or just outside the frame). The 6-bit coding of my copy also does not work with my M240, but the 50/1.1's coding does.
Am I disappointed? Not really. I think it's a nice lens for people photos with imperfections that are manageable and result in images that potentially aren't as sterile as modern designs. My take everywhere 35mm remains the Voigtlander 35/1.7 because it's a great performer in most respects with an attractive price/performance ratio.
Toastybunzz
Member
It's funny you mention that, it's really true. The lens looks like one of those big white lettered muscle car tires... Not very svelte. Its a very well performing lens though but it's not 100% there design wise. I bought one of those B+W UV filters (with the text on the inside of the filter ring glass) and I'm much happier when I see my Leica waiting for me on the shelf. It breaks up that terrible font and adds little much needed length to the squat design.
I originally bought it only to test out the 35mm, since I'm a 50 shooter but I've grown to love this little lens!
k__43
Registered Film User
I just received a 7A 35/2. Bought it for the M6 but tried it on my M262.
I used to have a ASPH cron but I had to let it go, so I can only compare to a Minolta 40/2 (which really is no fair comparison I know: being not as wide etc).
In terms of center sharpness the 7A is def. usable with back focus that would probably be solved by adjustment, the 40 is better tho.
Corners (infinity) don't come out at all, not even at f/8. No match for the M-rokkor.
It doesn't reach infinity according to the RF, but that makes sense with lens being a bit too much behind the RF.
My RF is super adjusted, the 262 just came back from Leica in January and works ace w/ the 40.
My main problem is tho .. the focus is really quit stiff. I will probably send that thing back and rather get a used CV 35/2.5 instead.
I like the rendition of the lens tho, probably tied to the imperfection
I used to have a ASPH cron but I had to let it go, so I can only compare to a Minolta 40/2 (which really is no fair comparison I know: being not as wide etc).
In terms of center sharpness the 7A is def. usable with back focus that would probably be solved by adjustment, the 40 is better tho.
Corners (infinity) don't come out at all, not even at f/8. No match for the M-rokkor.
It doesn't reach infinity according to the RF, but that makes sense with lens being a bit too much behind the RF.
My RF is super adjusted, the 262 just came back from Leica in January and works ace w/ the 40.
My main problem is tho .. the focus is really quit stiff. I will probably send that thing back and rather get a used CV 35/2.5 instead.
I like the rendition of the lens tho, probably tied to the imperfection
Huss
Veteran
I guess I dont understand how you can rate the lens when the focus is
off. 7A provide user focus adjustability for just this occasion. I wish Voigtlander did the same as both my 35 1.2 and ZM 50 1.5 are off on all my perfectly calibrated bodies.
No issues w corners either. Photos can be seen in this thread:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167375
Not liking too stiff focusing would be an issue.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I don't understand it, either. Digital Leica and lens with alignment tool, capabilities.
Why not to adjust it first and then take pictures to see corners and infinity?
Why not to adjust it first and then take pictures to see corners and infinity?
k__43
Registered Film User
When the center is in focus at infinity and the corners aren’t then there is no amount of calibration that would fix that, right?
The thing out of alignment is the RF cam, I can still focus infinity w/o it, right?
The thing out of alignment is the RF cam, I can still focus infinity w/o it, right?
k__43
Registered Film User
To clarify, the corners aren’t totally garbage. they are at f/8 what I remember the ASPH looked like at f/2. I haven’t bought that lens for the corners of the frame, I bought it for film and my subjects are mostly in the middle (I suck at framing, ha)
The stiff focus sucks tho, I will write the seller and ask if he has a better copy.
The stiff focus sucks tho, I will write the seller and ask if he has a better copy.
Huss
Veteran
If the focus is not set up correctly the lens can focus past infinity. Or before. So you cannot assume that those images are actually in focus just because you have the focus dial at the hard stop. I can clearly see this when I use lenses w adapters on my Nikon Z7.
First thing you need to do is calibrate the focus. As you have a digital camera it is easy. It is even easier if you had an M240 w LiveView than your M262.
First thing you need to do is calibrate the focus. As you have a digital camera it is easy. It is even easier if you had an M240 w LiveView than your M262.
autorelease
Newbie
Is the 7A lens heavy? I'm trying to find the weight of the lens online, but I'm seeing different specs on different sites.
davidnewtonguitars
Family Snaps
I have just had my first outing with this lens on the M2, it handles better than any other 35 that I have. For some reason I got a $20 discount at B&H with Paypal. I took quite a few shots at infinity, now I need to log some at closest focus. I don't yet understand the adjustment process and am hoping that it is good out of the box.
Is there an image thread for this lens?
Is there an image thread for this lens?
Huss
Veteran
If you can borrow a digital Leica M like an M240, use that to check focus. I've found that if 7A lenses show correct focus on my M240, they are also correct on all my film Ms.
Saves an awful lot of time!
