A continuation of observation on some photos

A continuation of observation on some photos

  • These look like a political statement

    Votes: 15 26.3%

  • These look like journalistic type photos

    Votes: 42 73.7%

  • These look unbias and neutral

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • These belong in the gallery

    Votes: 41 71.9%

  • These dont belong in the gallery

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • Total voters
    57
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jlw said:
Maybe the solution is simply to add a header to every gallery page saying words to the effect that "Pictures presented in this gallery were selected by the individual photographer, and do not necessarily represent the views of RFF, its operators, or its membership as a whole."
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that really does seem to be the simplest solution.
 
Does anyone sense an oxymoron here?

Commenters seem to hold poor views of the images, but want them left in place!

JUst trying to introduce a bit of levity here. :angel:
 
I had this written to post in the other thread, but Jorge closed it before I could. I'll post it here now as the last thing I say.
I think that the line should be drawn in a different way, to be honest.

It isn't really that hard to see when something really should be removed, and these photos, which were in context as a set in gallery about a rally, should have stayed. They *are* central to the idea of the rally...it's an anti-war, anti-Bush rally. The presence of the more controversial shots shows the lengths that the people will go to get their point across. It's relevant.

It's a peaceful rally. There is no violence in the photos. They aren't photos of aborted foetuses, nor are they photos of people being killed. They are photos of signs.

This is just my opinion, though. It's Jorge's site...and I *do* have my own webspace.
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Wow, maybe if I could get Jorge to remove one of the pictures in my gallery, I could get a hot thread going and get some more views (of the pictures, I mean.)

They used to say in the book biz that "Banned in Boston" was always a big boost to sales...
 
the lobster said:
I believe these photos show that a free society where citizens can march in the streets with this "mesage", voicing their opinions wthout fear of imprisonment or retaliation or censorship is a damn good place to live.
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and isn't it ironic that the people involved show us by example how wrong they are? 😉

unfortunately, they don't see it themselves.. now is pointing that out a political statement? I'm not actually sure
 
FrankS said:
Our European membership will be waking up soon.
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Ooooh, if I wanted to be political, I could really do something with a straight line like that!

But I'll restrain myself
:angel:
 
Erl said:
Does anyone sense an oxymoron here?

Commenters seem to hold poor views of the images, but want them left in place!

JUst trying to introduce a bit of levity here. :angel:
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I really don't think this is an oxymoron at all. I think it shows how the membership can put their personal views aside and judge work for what it is.

Dave
 
I really hate that we've come to this, arguing about freedom of speech, the truth is we wouldn't have freedom of speech without those willing to protect it.

I do not agree with the protestors (misguided youth) but I do support leaving the pics alone, the deleted pics are better than the vast majority of the others (sorry neils), but even those are better than mine.

Todd
 
dkapp said:
I really don't think this is an oxymoron at all. I think it shows how the membership can put their personal views aside and judge work for what it is.

Dave
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Of course you are correct Dave, but as I said:

I was just trying to intro some levity here 😀
 
The issue is not whether or not we agree with the protestors, the issue is whether or not photographs of a protest belong in a member's gallery. I jsut don't see how you can determine a political bias from these photojournalistic images. If a right-wing Republican photojournalist was to take photos at this rally, how would they be different? Would the right-wing photojournalist not take the same pictures? What would he/she take photos of? There is an anti-war rally going on.

The statement that Lobster made, that ultimately these are pro-American photos was really perceptive and salient.
 
Erl said:
Of course you are correct Dave, but as I said:

I was just trying to intro some levity here 😀
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Sorry, should have been more specific w/ the first sentence. This is not an oxymoron, is it ironic...maybe. 😀

Dave
 
 
I'm not an American. So I'm out of this one.

I'm still fuming about the other 'censorial act' the limitation of 10 shots max from the former 20 shots to the RFF gallery. How about that one?
 
FrankS said:
The issue is not whether or not we agree with the protestors, the issue is whether or not photographs of a protest belong in a member's gallery.
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No, apparently, it's whether we like the reality of people in public who are not breaking any laws, and whether somebody dares to take a picture of it and post it in a gallery.
 
My take on the subject... Jorge worries too much.

We're all mature and know what hurts us and what doesn't. I can understand Jorge's concern, and probably see that the origin of the controversy was an unfortunate choice of words... and an unfortunate act upon his notion of control. However, as it was said above, the very best way to place the responsibility of the images where it really belongs is by making a big, visible statement pointing out that the photos posted reflect the photographer's point of view, exclusively, and not that of the RFF members or anybody else other than the author of the pics.

That said... I'll exit the stage, though I may lurk to see where this discussion goes.

Ooops! Just before I click on the "Post" button... do not drop off any forum led by impulses like this. I, like most of you, do not support censorship, but I don't see Jorge practicing it, or else he wouldn't have started these threads. By declaring your insatisfaction with his very honest attempt to share his dilemma... he's being shown the same intolerance we so vehemently dislike. Frank, Honu... cool your engines, please. I'd hate to see you go! 🙂

And, Erl, thanks for your attempts at levity here! 😀
 
"I believe there is a bias to these photos."

I find this comment interesting. I and many others involved in various academic feilds such as History hold a belief the bias is unavoidable. I don't think I'd really like the work of a photographer who did not have bias. Photography is inheriently selective. That is the photograpghers skill. We chose when and what part of a scene to display or what stories to tell and how to tell them.

Journalism on the other hand often presents the journalist as an unbiased eye, presenting "facts". I find this difficult to believe, and real problem with journalism.


-Jay
 
At the risk of derailing this debate, an observation in the form of a humourous parable if you will:

An old man, a boy & a donkey were going
to town. The boy rode on the donkey &
the old man walked. As they went along
they passed some people who remarked
it was a shame the old man was walking
& the boy was riding. The man & boy
thought maybe the critics were right,
so they changed positions.



Later, they passed some people that remarked,
"What a shame, he makes that little boy walk."
They then decided they both
would walk! Soon they passed some
more people who thought they were
stupid to walk when they had a decent
donkey to ride. So, they both rode the donkey.



Now they passed some people that
shamed them by saying how awful to put
such a load on a poor donkey.
The boy & man said they were
probably right, so they decided
to carry the donkey. As
they crossed the bridge, they lost
their grip on the animal & he fell
into the river and drowned.



The moral of the story?

If you try to please everyone, you might as well...

Kiss your ass good-bye.

Just my (passive agressive?) 2 cents.
 
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