A Great Idea Xmas Contributes About Solving Kiev Frame Spacing

Hi Noel,

We must be clear.

BTW, when I disassembled the fork of my 4AM (CLOCKWISE TURN), the arrangement of washers was very very accurate and logical, not a bunch of handy spacers to cover for a temporary lack of springs.

Of course, there is always the possibility that WITHIN THESE models there was a change of design at some point.

But again, we have to be clear.

Cheers, and have a virtual beer with me,
Ruben

PS,
You are tempting me to open a thread under the title: The Legend of Soviet Camera Low Quality.
 
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Yup, a 4a. That little shaft where the take-up fork screw screws into is worn off on the inside. Atleast it seems that way. The fork has almost no friction. It was fine on the first roll I shot with this camera, but the problem appeared soon. The shaft is also wobbling a bit from side to side.
I think I can find a broken Kiev for parts easily in my country.
 
On of the failure modes is that the shaft has enough lateral and vertical play that the gear teeth disengage and slip doing damage to both sets of gear teeth.

I have had to make up a spacer to fit on the outer ring of the fork shaft piece part to pull the gear assembly down so there is no vertical play in the gear wheel. The top of a Kodak cassette keeper and a leather punch and craft knife..., so high technology!

Noel
 
Ruben

Looked at my 4am, which had a stiff wind on friction drive, occassional torn sprokets in film, but I only went as far as removing the take up spool.

The fork shaft was covered in fine oil, so it removed with rag and applied copious amount of PTFE liquid, gun shop or Radio shack etc. Held forks and operated winder until friction eased off, removed excess, ressembled.

Did the same to other operational kievs, which had high friction.

Simpler then crushing spring in vice, which needs safety glasses.

Noel
 
Hi Noel,

At the end of your fixing, did you performed the genial "Xmas blank film test" ?

It work wonders. Highly recommended.
 
Ruben

No all the cameras butted frames at the start of a roll and occassionally ripped frames about frame 30 or so.

I don't have any cameras which overlap by more then 0.5mm or leave big gaps.

Life is too short to be that careful, it is raining here when it gets dark I'll be out taking photos. I attended a funeral of a friend from '53, at weekend. I'll be upset for weeks.

I've asked you about your groups greeting 'to life' before? Had I had time I'd a confirmed your suspicions that the stack of washers was common throughout the IIIIam, I now think you are correct they altered the forks to suit the new spool, so...

Noel
 
Hi Ruben,

here's a suggestion for your Kiev Project thread. They're really interesting, but at present they're a bit difficult to find. How about you assign some kind of "tag" that you always put in the subject line (such as "KP: A Great Idea Xmas Contributes...")? Then we could just do a search for "KP" and have all the threads in the search results.

Philipp
 
The tag does exist: Kiev Project.

This thread has been an investigating one, to be used at the right moment at the Project.

Thanks for your interest, and intervention expected.

cheers,
Ruben
 
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