A Sad Day For Color Film Shooters.

40oz said:
Whatever. There's plenty other films on the market. And I never liked the look of Fuji color anyway. That's too bad for those who liked it though.

I'm not sure the single most expensive digital camera on the market is the only option for a person interested in shooting color lol
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I agree. My feelings exactly.
 
Plenty of other films on the market? Like what? A couple of Kodak offerings and Fuji and Kodak's consumer stuff, which really isn't a substitute.

I'm not one for crying that the sky is falling, but if Fuji doesn't replace this stuff it's a big loss for photographers who use colour film.
 
Found this over at Japan Exposures

http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/02/26/fujifilm-to-reorganize-film-lineup/

OK…here’s the official Fuji list:
The following are now gone, with no replacement:
Color 160s and160c in 35, 120, 220, 4×5, 8×10, and 4×5 quickload
Color 800z in 35mm 5pack, 120 and 220
Velvia 50 4×5 quickload
Velvia 100 4×5 quickload
Velvia 100F 4×5 quickload
Astia 100F 4×5 quickload
Provia 100F 4×5 quickload
T64 in all formats
Neopan 400 120
CDUII in all formats
The following have had package changes:
Velvia 50, 100, 100F 4×5 and 8×10 are now in 20 sheet boxes
Velvia 50, 100, 100F are now in 5-packs
Astia 100F 4×5 now in 20 sheet boxes, 120 now in 5-packs.
Provia 100F 4×5 and 8×10 now in 20 sheet boxes; 120 now in 5-packs
RXP 120 now in 5-packs

Arcos 100 120 now in 5-packs, 4×5 now in 20 sheet boxes.
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sepiareverb said:
Did you contact Fuji? Well, I did email Fuji yesterday through their website and asked them directly if these specific films were being discontinued and have posted above the reply I got from them today. I suppose they could just be pulling my chain to piss you off. I'd like to hope so, but when told by the manufacturer that something is no longer made I tend to believe it- even if it is Fuji.
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Well, they posted a list a while ago about changes to their lineup. Neopan 400 and Professional 160NC in 120 were being dropped, everything else was merely changing packaging.

Basically, we already knew the 160C in 120 was going.

We already knew the Pro800z was going, hell it should have been long gone by now according to the bpj-online.com article. And you can still order 800z from Adorama. (I'm not searching every posible retailer for a film I don't use, so maybe they're the only one.)

The Pro 160S isn't going anywhere, it's being renamed.

I looked right after reading your post to see what Fujifilm had to say, and the global site still lists 160S, 160C, and 800Z as part of their line-up. What's "the final word" when corporate marketing and marketing representatives don't seem to be on the same page?

I did find a press release from July 9, 2009 stating that Pro 800z is to be discontinued and that production has already ceased and supplies will run out in November of 2009.

I found a more recent one from March 11, 2010 stating that Neopan 400 in 120 is being dropped, Superia 100 is being dropped, and Pro 160S is being renamed Pro 160NS.

Both of those press releases came from HJP-online.com, not Fuji's website.

There was another document dated February 5, 2010 listing a slew of repackaging and a few discontinuations on the Japanese Fujifilm website. It boiled down to the elimination of Neopan 400 in 120 only, the dropping of 160 NC in 120, and the dropping of T64 in certain sizes of sheet film. The rest was merely new packaging arrangements, i.e. no more 12-ex. 35mm singles, mainly. Some 3-packs are now 5-packs, that kind of stuff.

Now if you go look at prior threads, including the one referring to the shuffling of the Fuji line, you'll find that the most common theme is "All/Most films by brand X are discontinued." It is only after someone actually tries to verify the info that we find that the truth is far less sensational. Hence my comments. Which I made after attempting to verify the actual state of affairs.

My comments were OP-agnostic, meaning I was not specifically targeting sepiaverb, but merely commenting on how tiring it gets to read "Film X is gone" type posts that lack a certain minimum amount of accuracy and timeliness.

However, I feel no remorse if people are slightly more reluctant to post film-discontinuation "facts" in the future. It's like people give no thought to the consequences of being wrong before shouting out. It's really not a service to post non-validated or qualified rumors of this nature.

Fuji is abysmal about providing info to their customers about discontinued products. I cannot explain why the person you contacted stated that Pro160S was being discontinued but didn't bother telling you it had been renamed. That right there is reason enough to take even company rep communication as sketchy rumor rather than fact, IMHO.
 
Andy Kibber said:
Plenty of other films on the market? Like what? A couple of Kodak offerings and Fuji and Kodak's consumer stuff, which really isn't a substitute.

I'm not one for crying that the sky is falling, but if Fuji doesn't replace this stuff it's a big loss for photographers who use colour film.
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Not if they buy from Kodak. The economics are fairly straightforward - Fuji drops a few Pro color films, the people who prefer it source it elsewhere. Everyone else who still makes the stuff see an increase in sales. Increased sales = good for the consumer who might be worried about a disappearing product.
 
For 120/220 color films "everyone else" = Kodak.

Kodak just had its first profitable quarter in a while after some horrible losses. It would be too bad if the film division made a nice profit but then went down with the rest of the company.

Best odds lie with having two companies.
 
Looks like Fuji is just streamlining their products. With the global economy the way it is, I'm actually quite surprised they don't cut more.
 
800Z has been my favorite in medium format. It does better in mixed light than Portra, maybe due to the 4th layer. Low grain and rich color when slightly overexposed. Sorry to see it go, but 400H is also great... Hope Fuji will keep that one around a long time.
 
Well I guess it's time to buy a new freezer just to stock film for the long dark creative winter storm approaching. But Again Fuji.... like Kodak is turning it's back on the consumer.
 
shadowfox said:
Looks like Fuji is just streamlining their products. With the global economy the way it is, I'm actually quite surprised they don't cut more.
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I agree. Pro films were mainly used not by holiday snappers, so over years Fuji decided they will not make them for a few pros and enthusiasts still using them. I hope they sold this films in large enough quantities when digital weren't so widespread.

Years ago local Fuji people told 4 layer films are on way to be simplified, thus also more cost effective. I can't remember if I did hear this while awaken or sleeping.

So while we can not do much, let's see if Fuji will bring out some replacement films, if any. Well, I am ready to use plain Superia instead of purchasing M9.
 
40oz said:
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My comments were OP-agnostic, meaning I was not specifically targeting sepiaverb, but merely commenting on how tiring it gets to read "Film X is gone" type posts that lack a certain minimum amount of accuracy and timeliness.

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Fuji is abysmal about providing info to their customers about discontinued products. I cannot explain why the person you contacted stated that Pro160S was being discontinued but didn't bother telling you it had been renamed. That right there is reason enough to take even company rep communication as sketchy rumor rather than fact, IMHO.
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Totally agree on the fact that film manufacturing companies seem to be unable to communicate with humans.
I'm guessing Fuji see their revenues falling as it is, putting out news in this fashion certainly does not help.

I'm telling you guys, the company last standing will be the one that best communicates with its customers. And they all will have to clean up their act sooner or later, 'cause right now, none of them does a near decent job.
 
Doug said:
800Z has been my favorite in medium format. It does better in mixed light than Portra, maybe due to the 4th layer. Low grain and rich color when slightly overexposed. Sorry to see it go, but 400H is also great... Hope Fuji will keep that one around a long time.
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I'm with you Doug- the Kodak options are not "just as good". Or I guess I should say "not just as good for everyone".

I've heard nothing from Fuji about re-naming 160 films yet.
 
When will we accept that it is all eventually going! - and stop the bursts of surprised, righteous indignation when another one is withdrawn?......and as for them withdrawing one - then replacing with a different formula, or name......geeez! - dream on! 🙄
 
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