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er, i kinda love the way it looks wayne.
but what do i know...
joe
but what do i know...
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Laika
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At least its just the body shell. It must have looked in a bad way for them to bother with the respray. I guess its only going to appeal to someone as a shooter now but a refinish in black would be a easy job. Maybe black with a nice leather or snake skin? My take on it would be to refinish it better than it ever looked from the factory and use it as a sweet shooter 😎
kiev4a
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I've modified a few bodies -- always with black leather, but not on the rare models. I wouldn't think of peeling the vulcanite off my FED 1 NKVD, My Zorki 2 or Red Zorki 5. There just weren't that many made. You may be right, however, the red paint may cover some major problems with the vulcanite. Still....
Jocko
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I agree with Wayne. However bad the vulcanite was, spraying it with Lada-juice was not a solution! At least some sellers show imagination - http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZsellertreasure (!)
kiev4a
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Jocko said:
IMHO virtually anything done to change the look of a Zorki 2C or C is an improvement.🙂
brians
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Jocko said:
Oh goodness.... At least they aren't -ugly- like that Halloween Zorki.
John Robertson
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I agree, but they do it because some damn fools buy them :bang:kiev4a said:
johne
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True, the Zorki 2C is pedestrian; remenber, so was the T34 tank but it was awesome in its own way. Just a comment.
Johne
Johne
Jocko
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johne said:
I'd have to disagree there, Johne; The T-34 was a fabulously elegant, efficient and advanced design, superior to any contemporary tank when originally deployed. The Zorki 2C reminds me of the allied Lee/Grant - designed before anyone had really worked out how the bits should go together! 🙂
kiev4a
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johne said:
I've always thought of the FED 2 as the photographic version of the T-34--a little rough around the edges in workmanship, no frills, but built to operate reliably under conditions when competitors fall by the wayside
John Robertson
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Yes John, and the first time I visited Prague there was a T34 painted pink as a Soviet memorial. It has now been removed 🙁johne said:
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lubitel
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I am surprised to see people discuss the T-34 here.
Those "creative" cameras are absolutely terrible. Did you see the price on that Lubitel? 60$!! nuts.
Those "creative" cameras are absolutely terrible. Did you see the price on that Lubitel? 60$!! nuts.
Jocko
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lubitel said:
I think we considered the T-34 as a piece of industrial design. As an expression of Soviet industrial aesthetics, a camera like the FED 2 does bear a real relationship to - for example, the T-34 or PPSH41. In the same way, the Zorki 6 has always reminded me of the Moskvitch 407 and Smenas are dead-ringers for the ZAZ965! Although it's not always pleasant to remember, there are intimate historical links between the cameras we love and the military-industrial complex. The same ethos and attitudes find expression in different products.
Sonnar Brian
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Now the SU-85, based on the T-34, to me was way-cool.
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/1222_1_1022811.html
T-34 is the Kiev with a Meter, T-85 is the Kiev without the meter.
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/1222_1_1022811.html
T-34 is the Kiev with a Meter, T-85 is the Kiev without the meter.
nemjo
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Jocko said:
WOW, somebody out knows ZAZ965...
I had one for three years... I could sell it for 1HUF/kg. Less than 5$.
nemjo
kiev4a
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Jocko said:
The T-34 was unquestionably the best tank to come out of WWII -- not in terms of sophistication -- the German Panther was head and shoulders above it. But no other tank touched the T-34 in terms of reliability and the ability to do the job it was designed to do. It wasn't designed for comfort--I think the average tank crewman was about five foot six inches--any taller and you wouldn't fit. But it had some of the best armor, an outstanding power to weight ratio and a gun big enough to do real damage--plus a relatively low profile. And it was designed so it could be operated by people with almost no mechanical knowledge. I was a no nonsense, no frills piece of equipment.
The FED 2 seems to have been designed on the same principles--to do a specific job reliably.
BTW: My knowledge of the T-34 comes from the fact that in the 1960s I was a member of an armored cavalry troop and our instructors reminind us often that even our postwar designed M-48 tanks couldn't tackle a T-34 head-on.
Jocko
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Wayne, that's so very interesting!
Nemjo, What was the ZAZ like to drive?!
Nemjo, What was the ZAZ like to drive?!
nemjo
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Nemjo, What was the ZAZ like to drive?![/QUOTE]
O.K. in that time it was already out of the "normal" technical level. But it was the only car I could afford, bought for 100$ secondhand.
The most funny was in wintertime. It had a stove in it for heating. I tried it only two times, but switched off immediately for it's strange sound. Otherwise very simple construction, I could service it myself.
To describe it, I think it's enough to tell that my second car was a GREAT development - it was a Trabant.
nemjo
Back to topic, my camera was a Zenit that time. Despite theese cars it is still useable.
O.K. in that time it was already out of the "normal" technical level. But it was the only car I could afford, bought for 100$ secondhand.
The most funny was in wintertime. It had a stove in it for heating. I tried it only two times, but switched off immediately for it's strange sound. Otherwise very simple construction, I could service it myself.
To describe it, I think it's enough to tell that my second car was a GREAT development - it was a Trabant.
nemjo
Back to topic, my camera was a Zenit that time. Despite theese cars it is still useable.
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