A Vegan told me about gelatin...

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I had a used roll of scrap film in one of my rigs and a vegan woman I currently carpool with to go to work told me that animal products is used to make gelatin. I felt bad about it.
Of course I did not want to offend her but the the discussion could have shifted to the following question: what kills the most animals on earth ? Production of film or what other stuff ?
Are animals really killed for film or do film manufacturers just use a byproduct of animal food ?
I just don't eat much meat myself and when I do so I try as much as possible to do it with a sense of what's going on with mass food production.
Thinking that I just stuffed a complete deep freezer with film...
What do you think ?
 
As far I know it is plant matter that is used for film, not animals.

Celulose, not gelatin.
 
Gelatin is used in film, or at least in the early days animal based gelatin.

from what I understand, gelatin was very important in the transition from wet plate to dry plate and eventually film photography.

At one time , early motion picture film was cellulose base (Cellulose Nitrate film) and would decay and become very flammable. the film base has been long replaced with more stable plastics.

As a vegan myself, you have to ask yourself why you are vegan and what the alternatives are for the things of life. if you use no animal products at all, you can go crazy trying.

gelatin is everywhere, medications have gelatin coatings sometimes.

I am a vegan for health reasons, not ethical reasons.

if you think about the environment, you can make an argument that using oil based plastics and associated products, is much more dangerous for the environment than renewable resources such as animal products.

also as a side note, I believe that modern gelatin is so highly processed, that in kosher circles, it is no longer considered an animal product for dietary law purposes. I could be wrong on this, but I've heard...
 
I'm not sure if there is a synthetic form of gelatin, but the gelatin traditionally used in emulsions is an animal product. It is derived from the the bones of cattle. It therefor is a by product of the meat industry. No animals were killed just to make film.
 
Children are used to recycle engines, cargo boats, tires, and digital components in India and Pakistan.

Just tell this to your vegan carpooler.
 
isn´t it that kodak in the era of silver photography was bringing up their own cattle to have consistency for film production? not joking here, i read that somewhere.
 
Highway 61 said:
Children are used to recycle engines, cargo boats, tires, and digital components in India and Pakistan.

Just tell this to your vegan carpooler.
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What's your point? The observation that the dirty jobs that wealthy nations want to rid themselves of are in some way a carte blanche to shrug one's shoulders to everything we would rather not know?

As a vegan she probably already knows...
 
straightmp said:
isn´t it that kodak in the era of silver photography was bringing up their own cattle to have consistency for film production? not joking here, i read that somewhere.
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Not entirely inaccurate. I'm not sure that they raised their own cattle but I'm pretty sure that (for example) cows raised with a high-mustard diet produced natural sensitizers (high sulphur compounds), so the gelatine is very tightly controlled.

Yes, there are gelatine 'extenders' -- effectively, synthetic latexes -- but as far as I'm aware they're used only in paper and not in film: again, sensitization (=speed) is important.

The late Linda McCartney was apparently ready to believe that she bought special film with no gelatine in it. Those whom I know in the business believe that a degree of self-deception may have been encouraged here...

What has always puzzled me, and struck me as quite unjust, is that while pork sausages contain pork and beef sausages contain beef, vegetarian sausages are not required by law to contain any vegetarians whatsoever.

Cheers,

R.
 
I love it every time one of these post comes up. It just reaffirms 1 Tim.4:1,4 the apostle Paul was so right about these latter times we live in.:angel:


Just enjoy life & don't worry about it.:)
 
Kodak used to have its own farms to keep up with the gelatin need.

Both Kodak and Fuji researched non-animal alternatives, but claimed that they cannot replace animal gelatin in film.
 
Gelatin is an animal protein, so yes, all film uses animal products. Kodak requires very pure gelatin—beyond the quality called for by the food industry. So they set up a company called Eastman Gelatine Corporation, which takes incoming bones and grinds them down progressively to produce gelatin. Kodak sold the company to another gelatin manufacturer, Rousselot, in 2011—but I assume they continue to source gelatin from them.

If you're vegan or vegetarian, you sometimes have to turn a blind eye. The list of products with "stealth" animal ingredients is truly astounding.

I wonder if silver gelatin could be fixed in an agar emulsion. There's a business idea for you. Artisinal vegan black and white film, handmade in Brooklyn.
 
2WK said:
As far I know it is plant matter that is used for film, not animals.
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I'd add that plants are made with recycled plants and animals. If I were to really overthink it, I would not endorse such abomination, and stick to just water and minerals. Most plants animals are mostly water too, though, so...

Did I type "recycled"? I meant "byproduct of" :eek:
 
goodtimes said:
I had a used roll of scrap film in one of my rigs and a vegan woman I currently carpool with to go to work told me that animal products is used to make gelatin. I felt bad about it.
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Why do you feel bad? Because it is made of animal products? It is made of bones and skin of animals but these animals could die from natural causes or, most likely, for meat. Since you do eat meat, don't worry about it.

And vegans should bike to work, as one kills many insects in summer when one drives a car :angel:
 
Also, why is a fluffy bunny "worth" more than a tree? If you're a vitalist, believing that all life is sacred, then they're both alive and both sacred.

Cheers,

R.
 
Addy101 said:
And vegans should bike to work, as one kills many insects in summer when one drives a car :angel:
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not quite correct, sir. I commute to work by pushbike, and I also kill hundreds of thousands of insects each summer, at least when I take the very very very fast road bike. On the mountain bike I´m much slower, so the flies and midgets have a decent chance to survive.
 
CNNY said:
I'm not sure if there is a synthetic form of gelatin,
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Nope. The manufacturers tried hard - they never were that keen on gelatin, as the variability in biological materials is a severe handicap when it comes to making very fast films or very accurate colour films. But no silver-polymer emulsion came even remotely close to silver-gelatin speeds - their practical applications remained limited to print shop products, where exposures of a couple of minutes with 2000W UV lamps were feasible (and where they could even promote the films as capable of being handled in muted daylight).
 
I think it's settled: if we are truly to evolve, we should feed solely and purely on solar energy and minerals. A true mineralist would shame vegans into quitting their evil ways, and stone the meat-lovers for tenderizing irony.
 
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